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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein okay

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from another yet another secret remote

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location we have Christo Bryan joining

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he's a ganas iPhone he hasn't really had

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time to play with the installation of

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Skype but maybe for next week's episode

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by the way I should tell you in a couple

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of weeks first week of December and

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it'll be that weekend we'll be featuring

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none other than peter robbins joining us

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he has some new stuff out on the

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Rendlesham case we'll ask him about a

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lot of stuff that's in december a lot of

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Chris I don't know it's a long time

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Chris you've been on the road for like

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almost a month now right my longest

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people away from home and I I can't

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remember the last time all the way a

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I hope my kitties remember me do you

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have someone taking care of the kitties

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them and when I come back I expect that

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they'll be really friendly for about a

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day and then they'll go back to their

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but yeah I had a great trip I had a

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wonderful group that's been touring

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me and we can discuss this more in

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future episodes but I really do feel

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that there is an imperative right now to

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take some of these wonderful locations

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that we find all over the planet and tap

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into them and and and tell them it's

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okay you know the planets going through

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a lot of stuff right now and I think

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coherent meditation those types of

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things have tremendous potential you

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know i'm i've been down on certain

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individuals including ufology using it

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for self aggrandizing purposes but it's

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do it in a way that honors nature that

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honors the finance I think it's very

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immensely positive

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wonderful I really really enjoyed my

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time away and this was you know

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beginning of no possibly process that's

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going to be continued by others around

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the world and you know I did I wish the

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group who I guided you know a tremendous

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amount of success and walk because I

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really felt a real hard connection to

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these folks I mean they they really work

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it was a joy to be with them and I just

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can't you know I'm just sitting here at

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the end of you know three week with them

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and we're doing a happy thing you know I

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just feel really you know jazz I really

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feel a kind of how to put it I just feel

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invigorated from the experience and

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that's a good thing I hear that your

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voice I know that before you left you

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were getting a little bit tired and of

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course you were trying to do a lot of

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work you spend all that time doing the

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books talking to her and you're trying

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to take stock of everything but you do

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sound more optimistic before we

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introduce our guests for this week I

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wanted to ask you about the Travis

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Walton event

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Skyfire work out well it just don't

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happen that we were able to work around

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by a surprise party a week ago Friday to

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be up there and healer Arizona it was

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kind of down home it was funky you know

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the kids were you know need some

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improvement I think by and large the

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that the folks that did a chance we're

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very positive I only heard two

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presentations I was only there for a

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number of hours but from the shtetl West

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that I'm hearing you know completed

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conference a lot of positive comments I

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think they may have to change the venue

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if they want to continue this term years

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to come there are some logistical issues

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being in either but I think the vision

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and the presentation and there's a lot

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of potential there and I think a lot of

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people you know will support this and I

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was travel much luck with it he's a

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really nice guy controversial of course

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the case but you know I think I think

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I'm by and large it was you know

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invigorating to to be in that

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environment with all those folks and and

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and in speakers so I really think that

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there's some potential there

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okay Skyfire summit and that's Travis

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Walton a lot of really fascinating

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speakers and it sound like it would have

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been fun if I'd gone up there but of

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likes to do that kind of travel across

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mountains pick you up in the bus team I

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was thinking you would drive me out or

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somebody would take me there in a

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helicopter well of course you know I'll

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try I've never driven across mountain

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roads and akia we'll see what happens

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this week I'm the para cast we bring

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back an old friend of ours who's

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actually one of the moderators of the

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forum a long time you offer researcher

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hosts of the Dark Matters radio show the

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one and original not that imitation that

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that art bell character came out it's

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none other than Don Ecker

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and he comes on the show like could one

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see or so we kind of catch up with him

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because he always has a lot of outspoken

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opinions on a variety of subject we

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could continue our discussion about

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lunar mysteries with him for example and

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the state of the UFO field I'm sure he's

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going to be down on it and we have a

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bunch of questions to ask of him

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we have a few from our audience we

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didn't give you too much warning

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unfortunately but I think it's gonna be

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really cool Don Ecker because whenever

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you ask him he's got an answer and we

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are on opposite points of the political

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spectrum so we might end up strangling

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each other before the episode is done so

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strangulation on the power cast this is

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going to be the time right Chris yeah

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Don is you know as a wonderful character

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immense respect for him and you got

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their opinion right he's a cool guy like

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him Don Ecker coming up next with gene

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and Chris you're in so here's what

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there is the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko is calm that's rock oyd

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sorrow CK oids calm

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myk's Tennyson fremitus resources and no

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time in history have precious metals

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been more important certainly not in my

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22 years in the industry the dollar has

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lost over 90% of its value in the last

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60 years

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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government printing presses ours is not

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immune the time is now to be proactive

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1-866 to 237 extension one one six

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anything tied to the dollar is at risk

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CDs annuities 401ks IRAs stocks bonds

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you name it so decide do you want to

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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

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your family the choice is yours call me

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at one eight hundred six eight six two

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two three seven extension one one six

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that's one eight hundred six eight six

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subscription oh wow that's great

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see the price of gas has come down gene

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it does but what kind of mileage do you

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21 year old Jeep so you got four miles a

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sixty-five cents is one of the cheaper

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Scottsdale is is a writ to your

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neighborhood over here but anyway we

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shouldn't be talking about that let's

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talk about okay so the ugliest thing

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west of the Mississippi River

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so one thing I don't worry about is

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anybody wanting to car jacket this is

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the one where they reject it the

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carjackers say Oh get away from this one

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exactly yes

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well I know that okay well I have to

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think about that okay

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anyway I was gonna ask you something

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here as you know this magazine you were

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formerly associated with with Vicki

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called UFO magazine

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it basically is gone forever the print

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version stopped and there was this note

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to recall Don where they said that the

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company who owned the name

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UFO magazine told bill and Nancy Byrnes

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they could no longer publish to the

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magazine effort had begun to appear very

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infrequently which is of course the big

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symptom of a magazine going under is

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suddenly the publication schedule goes

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down the tubes and then they came back

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online and they said what's we're to do

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a digital version and there's nothing

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unusual about digital versions because

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this is where the publishing industry is

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going a lot of magazines now are giving

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up print giving up killing trees and

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going all digital so they just kill

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bandwidth or something so for example in

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the technology field we have PC world

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and Mac world all digital now that kind

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of thing so I guess they had hoped to

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have a digital version of UFO magazine

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but now the site UFO mag com is under

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construction which means it's kaput so

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what's your feeling about all this Don

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well you understand that Vicky my wife

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was the original founder and publisher

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Oh magazine we owned the magazine solely

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for about 11 years when you know the

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cost of publishing got to the point

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where we had to take business partners

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so we were involved with the magazine up

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through 2006 actively but then after

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2006 we were no longer involved so a lot

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of what happened in there quite honestly

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I was not privy or not there to see as a

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matter of fact I haven't personally had

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any contact and neither is Vicky

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actually with the burns now going on

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about eight years but during that period

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of time after the magazine began

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appearing infrequently I know that the

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people that owned the copyright the

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magazine

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stipulation in there that it had to be

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published specifically on due dates and

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if something occurred where the magazine

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was not published at any point they had

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the right to yank it now I knew a lot of

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people were still buying subscriptions

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to the magazine and they started coming

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to Vickie and I I guess not knowing that

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we were no longer a part of the magazine

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but they began coming to us saying we'll

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look we sent subscriptions in there and

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we have received nothing we've received

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no word I've tried to contact somebody

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nobody has gotten back to me what's the

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deal well it was my understanding that

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Nancy Burns who was then filling herself

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as the editor-in-chief had taken a year

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off to write a novel or a book and

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basically even though people were still

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buying subscriptions people that have

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subscriptions were getting no

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satisfaction

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they weren't receiving the magazine they

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weren't being or at least the ones that

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contacted Vickie and I were not hearing

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from anybody get you up Oh magazines so

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the bottom line was basically they just

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shined it on I guess well after she got

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her book completed they came back and I

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believe they may have published one or

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two electronic copies but then it just

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basically dried up it blew away so the

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bottom line is that all those people

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that that bought subscriptions that

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never received any magazines

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we're just basically out the money it

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was you know and the other thing was it

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was at such an amount that people I

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guess figured it would be you know more

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cost you know cost ineffective to them

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to co-op and go to small claims court or

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something than it would be to just

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absorb the loss so they they basically

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allow the magazine to go down the tubes

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well one of the things that some

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magazines have done in the past is to

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get in touch with another magazine and

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make a deal say look we're out of

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business

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would you take over our subscribers I

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did that a couple of times with the

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caveat emptor when I had that magazine

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had two incarnations and when it went

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under we had to make that deal now

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unfortunately I made a deal with one

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person who agreed to fulfill the

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subscriptions and he never did so that

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got to be kind of messy but that is the

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other thing that could have been done I

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don't understand why they didn't do it I

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don't know how many subscribers they had

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had to have a few thousand who order

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subscriptions that after we left and the

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direction that the magazine was going

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people were dropping on because they

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when Vicki and I had had published the

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magazine we had gone after cases that

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were ongoing and appeal personalities in

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the field we were doing things every

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issue like book reviews on new books

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coming out you were doing basically a

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real magazine but let's get into more of

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Chris O'Brien once again in a secret

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remote location somewhere in Timbuktu or

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something like that or or Newark New

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Jersey we haven't really figured out

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Santa Fe okay that sounds like a nice

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place I have to visit Santa Fe one of

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these days we have Don Ecker joining us

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we're talking about the failure of UFO

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magazine and you were telling us of

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course the approach you took which is to

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course practice journalism you skate

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UFOs you have reports about UFO cases

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about the people involved in the field

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you have book reviews it was a real

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magazine and then what happened when it

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was taken over it basically got to the

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point where they were covering pure and

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fewer cases I believe pretty much they

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stopped doing things like book reviews

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and it became basically a magazine of

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everybody's opinion very very little

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research was going on very little

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investigation of cases and the type of

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thing that you know Vicki and I had done

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per years that really put the

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publication on the map when we were

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publishing so I mean breaking stories I

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mean that's all important right

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everything everything has a shelf life

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and today with the internet I think a

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lot of people even though you're not

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gonna even begin to get a small bit of

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course a big problem with the internet

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is basically to monetize it to put a

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value on the content that you present so

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of course they have to charge a fair

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price for their services and they

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deserve to get paid but as you say it's

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difficult to monetize things online not

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that it's impossible I mean a lot of it

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is maybe getting advertising I mean we

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go through this all the time with the

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para cast and the tech night out live

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which is of course we have to eat how do

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you monetize this thing how do you treat

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people fairly you charge a fair price

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for what you do but of course you want

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to deliver something that's first for

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equality which is of course the big

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problem here

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yeah it's a tough nut to crack a lot of

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people thousands and thousands of people

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are still out there trying to figure out

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how to break through that internet thing

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whoever finally comes up with a with a

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fail-safe way of doing it boy oh boy are

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they gonna are they gonna make a bundle

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of cash

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you mean like Facebook exactly well

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certainly Apple knows how to mine the

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Internet Apple makes a lot of money

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Google Microsoft is starting to come

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back after that period where they've had

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problems so they found the way but in

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any case here the real question here is

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aim the situation we have now is it

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possible at all

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for there to be an online UFO oriented

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publication that will cover all the

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needs of a reader who wants high quality

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investigative material and informed

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opinion are you asking me if I think

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it's possible yep

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well I'll tell you at this point I would

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guess no and one of the primary reasons

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I would say that is that basically UFO

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research these days Jane and Chris is in

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my opinion a lost art there are very

641
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very very few people out there today

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that basically can conduct an

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investigation they have no idea how to

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go about it most people's idea of UFO

645
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investigating is sitting at home in

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front of their computer screen going to

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their search engine putting in a few

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terms and then reading whatever happens

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to be on the web and that believe me is

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no way to go about it you've got to be

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able to and ask Chris you've got to be

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able to get out into the field into the

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00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:41,450
weeds up to your elbows in the topic in

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order to do anything that even comes

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close to performing justice for the

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topic and there I agree absolutely very

657
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very few people willing to do that well

658
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in journalism in general there's very

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little investigative reporting right now

660
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it's just a matter of quoting what

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people say calling somebody else to get

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a balanced opinion which I call false

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balance because sometimes you get pretty

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ridiculous counter opinions that passes

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for journalism but people just going out

666
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there and basically beating up the shoe

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leather to try to find out what's going

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on you don't have a lot of that and

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that's not obviously just UFO research

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that is journalism in general Oh a dead

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art look at cheryl atkinson for example

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now there was an investigative

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journalist yeah all right you before we

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get on i'm gonna disagree with you on

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her worth especially in one particular

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example which is why rather we don't

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discuss cheryl atkinson i'll give you

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that example where she has his picture

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of her computer supposedly being hacked

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and ends up being a stuck backspace key

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that keeps backspacing

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so give me another example please i just

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don't want to get into an argument about

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it okay why don't my side chain or you

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jump if you I mention her as an example

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have you feel that she was mistreated by

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CBS go ahead Cheryl Atkins

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is an investigative journalist

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she's a damned fine investigative

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journalist she was the person that

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really shined a light on that abortive

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an abortion

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fast and furious gun-running scheme

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where the Department of Justice and

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others were running guns down to the

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Mexican cartels across the border and

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into Mexico in according to them an

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effort to trace where these firearms

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were going now you know the Bush

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administration did the same thing right

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wrong the Bush administration had yes a

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operation where they ran those were

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running guns in New Mexico however the

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one thing that nobody that loves to bash

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the Bush administration ever mentions is

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the fact that the Bush administration

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had each of those firearms that they ran

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down their tag so they could be traced

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as soon as they were picked up or

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recovered they knew a few alright you

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know let's do this here I know you want

712
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to make a point about her but forget

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this stuff because we can argue about

714
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the issues about fast and furious but

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let's talk about her not and the

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reaction to what she did because you're

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saying the point being here is here

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somebody produces a piece of work we can

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argue about whether it's good work or

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not so good work assuming it is good

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work what happened

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Jane I gotta tell you I'm getting a

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little irritated here the bottom line

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that I was trying to get to before I was

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continuously interrupted is the fact

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that the more she began to shine a light

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on that operation okay the more

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resistance she got at CBS because as we

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all know or should know there are a lot

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of very close familial relations that go

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directly into the Obama administration

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but we we aren't here to discuss that

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we're to discuss how investigative

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journalism is no longer an art that is

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practiced very frequently in our

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present-day society Atkinson was

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eventually frozen out because she

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wouldn't take no for an answer she was

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targeted not only by her bosses at CBS

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but she was targeted by elements within

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the federal government and the

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administration because she was in the

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process of embarrassing them now the

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Obama administration has targeted I had

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a tremendous number of reporter as a

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matter of fact there's one right now the

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look on record yeah

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how can that that we don't disagree

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[Music]

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

863
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you are listening to the podcast now

864
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forgetting the fact that Don Ecker and I

865
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:14,950
probably disagree a lot about this I do

866
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:17,380
agree here that different

867
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administrations target the media it's

868
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:20,890
not just the current one but the current

869
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:22,750
one appears to be doing it worse we can

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00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:24,910
go through history here they want to

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control the message and as the media

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plays a larger part they want to take

873
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control and have their message their

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spin to be presented

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00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:38,410
they are the corporate entities that

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00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:41,710
dictate editorially to the media outlets

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so let's make sure we define the veil

878
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right it's not necessarily just

879
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:49,360
politicians who want to spin their own

880
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:52,510
message it is also the fact that the

881
00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:54,460
media today is controlled by huge

882
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:58,630
corporations profit and losses are all

883
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:00,190
they care about they do not care about

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journalism and this is not like the

885
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conservative media the liberal media it

886
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:08,080
is any major corporation that runs a

887
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newspaper or a TV outlet with a lot of

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00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:14,260
news there is a very big incentive there

889
00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:17,050
to allow the court for the corporation's

890
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to send their spin on things and the

891
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:23,140
bottom line is more and more of the

892
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:25,390
American public are being turned off by

893
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:29,730
that very fact that's why CBS ABC NBC

894
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:34,560
MSNBC why most of the network's today

895
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,040
have practically no viewership

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newspapers across the United States are

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dying a slow death everywhere people

898
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just basically and the Internet is

899
00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:52,990
another example people today get much of

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00:43:01,410 --> 00:42:56,740
their material their news material from

901
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:01,420
the Internet done the thing that bear in

902
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:03,880
mind also is look at the demographics so

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00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:07,330
for example any of the cable TV networks

904
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,640
caters for really older audience like

905
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:11,920
Fox I think is what the average is 65

906
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:14,830
and we can say MSNBC might be a little

907
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:16,300
younger but not that much younger the

908
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:18,520
catering to middle-aged and senior

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00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:21,310
citizens all the cable news networks

910
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:22,690
they're not really getting the kids and

911
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:25,300
as Chris was about to say you know The

912
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:27,820
Daily Show basically a comedy show with

913
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:30,220
political overtones that reaches the

914
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younger people the prime demographic for

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00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:37,030
advertisers yeah and we have as a result

916
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:40,890
an extraordinarily dumbed down

917
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:47,080
population I mean that's an

918
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,420
understatement if I ever heard one no

919
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,240
well this is a family show otherwise I

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00:43:59,610 --> 00:43:54,160
might have described it in another way

921
00:44:00,210 --> 00:43:59,620
but and then here's something you'll

922
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appreciate

923
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,360
there was this recent story quoting the

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head of the FBI and some other people

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complaining about the fact that apple

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with iOS and Google with Android in

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their latest operating systems were

928
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encrypting all the data on smartphones

929
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:18,430
so if the government wants to get your

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00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:20,230
smart phone and do what they do on TV

931
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:22,780
all the time which is you know unlock it

932
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:25,450
and get all the information you can't do

933
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:28,510
it it's all encrypted so of course

934
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:31,390
obviously if you do something worthy you

935
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:33,970
could crack the password and get into

936
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:35,950
the system you might get something but

937
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:37,420
they've basically made it more difficult

938
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,710
for hackers to break into your smart

939
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:43,900
phones but they also have blocked the

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00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:46,330
government and Tim Cook of Apple is

941
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:47,620
famously said he's not going to do

942
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:49,510
anything about it and I'm sure the guys

943
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:52,960
over at Google feel the same way wait a

944
00:44:56,310 --> 00:44:54,670
minute wait a minute gene you saying

945
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,320
that the government doesn't have it

946
00:45:03,270 --> 00:44:58,960
already in place backdoors itself on

947
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:03,280
iPhones Samsung phones I I have a hard

948
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:05,380
time believing that well let's just say

949
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:07,720
they claim not to have it that might be

950
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:10,840
just spin I don't know okay sure but

951
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:13,750
they can pull your text right out of the

952
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:18,430
air they can pull any telephone call you

953
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:20,770
make a receive right out of the air but

954
00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:23,240
it's my understanding that they do

955
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,500
not necessarily to just simply read them

956
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:29,180
or listen to them but they have them on

957
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:34,730
file so yeah we live we live in an

958
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,640
Orwellian state do you remember the

959
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:40,160
movie anime of the state the Will Smith

960
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:42,500
movie with Gene Hackman and John Voight

961
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:46,520
Don yes Jerry Bruckheimer movie where

962
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:49,130
this lawyer gets ahold of a piece of

963
00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:52,430
information they shouldn't have and the

964
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,069
NSA or whatever they're following him

965
00:45:59,740 --> 00:45:57,680
everywhere they've got the surveillance

966
00:46:02,620 --> 00:45:59,750
cameras and they're tracking his cell

967
00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:02,630
phone and you think about this late 90s

968
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:04,849
movie and there isn't anything in that

969
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:07,690
movie that really isn't true right now

970
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:12,319
right yeah it's kind of like back in the

971
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:16,130
early 90s I can remember talking to some

972
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,240
people that were allegedly in the

973
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:23,180
position to know that hey did you ever

974
00:46:28,359 --> 00:46:25,490
used to watch Star Trek and then he was

975
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,369
talking about the original series and I

976
00:46:33,819 --> 00:46:31,520
said sure he said well he said I can

977
00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:33,829
tell you that everything Captain Kirk

978
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:37,160
did in that series we can do today oh

979
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:40,910
really so take that for what it's worth

980
00:46:50,099 --> 00:46:44,630
but in many ways you know the guy was

981
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:50,109
was correct Kirk's communicator McCoy's

982
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:54,170
diagnostic bed all that stuff today is

983
00:47:01,900 --> 00:46:58,190
in service anybody that has a cell phone

984
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:01,910
there's your communicator the medical

985
00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:05,380
equipment that is available today

986
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:08,059
providing you have Obamacare and can

987
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:11,660
access it you know all that stuff is

988
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:14,089
available but we're gonna have warp

989
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:18,500
drive do we do we I'm asking you that's

990
00:47:23,099 --> 00:47:19,940
the one invention we haven't come up

991
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:23,109
with yet or maybe we have maybe we're

992
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:27,520
making is maybe it's it's sitting

993
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,559
somewhere in a deep dark underground

994
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:33,760
cavern I would not be

995
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:38,380
actually in the least bit surprised if

996
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:43,540
we had the capability and the

997
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:46,420
wherewithal to go to the Stars if that

998
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:49,380
was something that someone chose to do

999
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:54,310
according to been rich 20 years ago then

1000
00:48:02,340 --> 00:47:56,530
rich of course the guy that at the time

1001
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:02,350
was heading up the skunkworks we had it

1002
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:06,160
he said on the record that we had the

1003
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:11,170
ability to take e.t home so take that

1004
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:14,170
for what it's worth well you know

1005
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:16,750
there's a TV show coming out this

1006
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:19,210
December called ascension on the Sci Fi

1007
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:23,190
Channel and the position is that

1008
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:25,630
allegedly there was a secret program in

1009
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,190
the early 60s which sent a number of

1010
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:33,280
people like a city sized spaceship on

1011
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:38,110
the road to the Stars and was kept

1012
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:41,140
hidden from everybody as if for example

1013
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:44,200
the space program that we had was mostly

1014
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:45,940
the cover story it was a simplified

1015
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:47,890
version and even now we have stories

1016
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,170
about a secret space program going on

1017
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:51,760
what's your feeling about that Don Ecker

1018
00:49:00,480 --> 00:48:56,770
I once again of course I have no

1019
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:00,490
knowledge one way or the other but if I

1020
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:04,390
had guess did we have that available to

1021
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,710
us when I say available to us I'm

1022
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:10,240
speaking primarily from a military

1023
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:15,660
intelligence standpoint I would be

1024
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:19,030
fairly comfortable in saying I would not

1025
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:23,860
want to bet against it I think that it's

1026
00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:27,790
very conceivable that we have something

1027
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:32,860
that would basically cause all of us to

1028
00:49:37,029 --> 00:49:34,810
take a real deep breath in our eyes

1029
00:49:42,569 --> 00:49:37,039
bulged out of we know it

1030
00:49:48,609 --> 00:49:42,579
been looking at mundane current avionics

1031
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:48,619
what we have that we know about is mind

1032
00:49:55,569 --> 00:49:52,249
blowing when you consider that it's only

1033
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:55,579
been a century a hundred years or a

1034
00:50:02,400 --> 00:49:58,630
little over a hundred years since

1035
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:02,410
mankind took his first airplane flight

1036
00:50:09,009 --> 00:50:05,839
we've already been to other planets

1037
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,019
we've been to the moon we've been to

1038
00:50:17,319 --> 00:50:12,319
Mars hell we just landed a spaceship on

1039
00:50:21,279 --> 00:50:17,329
a comet unmanned of course but if we can

1040
00:50:24,279 --> 00:50:21,289
do that god only knows what we might

1041
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:24,289
have the capability of doing you pushkin

1042
00:50:31,150 --> 00:50:27,049
right well what would been riches famous

1043
00:50:33,009 --> 00:50:31,160
quote we have the what they say we we

1044
00:50:36,179 --> 00:50:33,019
have the way to take e.t home or

1045
00:50:40,959 --> 00:50:36,189
something yes that's correct

1046
00:50:45,729 --> 00:50:40,969
we have the ability to take e.t home now

1047
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:45,739
for someone like Ben rich to make a

1048
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:49,329
remark like that it should have

1049
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:52,849
galvanized nose services all across the

1050
00:51:00,299 --> 00:50:55,130
United States my god as far as that goes

1051
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:00,309
around the world and it basically didn't

1052
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:13,630
well I used to say that any especially

1053
00:51:21,370 --> 00:51:17,839
huge UFO cases that grow into the

1054
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,380
mainstream like sts-48 for example let's

1055
00:51:26,109 --> 00:51:23,119
continue with that example our next

1056
00:51:28,419 --> 00:51:26,119
segment Don Ecker of doc matters very

1057
00:51:30,330 --> 00:51:28,429
outspoken gentlemen with Gene and Chris

1058
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:30,340
you're in

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[Music]

1060
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forcing taxes to surface debt this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1081
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stating a central bank issuing the

1082
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public currency is a greater menace to

1083
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the liberties of the people than a

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standing army hi Teddy understand I'm

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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surrounds you calling out your name

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg okay Don Ecker had

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00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:14,200
started something and as we always do

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when we have to do a break the breaks

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are hard the breaks are solid let's

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continue on the para cast on outspoken

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actually he's just he's a shrinking

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violet

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yeah that's what my white yeah I'll tell

1126
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:31,390
you he is a pussycat with his wife

1127
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:34,210
because you know if he tried to talk

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00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:35,830
back at her it's all over

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00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:38,860
hey boy she she gets on me like a coat

1130
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:46,140
smack them for you for that one done you

1131
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:50,430
and which army but anyway UFO cases

1132
00:54:59,820 --> 00:54:55,390
remarks like what then rich made remarks

1133
00:55:01,860 --> 00:54:59,830
like people like Gordon Cooper made

1134
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:01,870
prior to their demise

1135
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:05,500
these things never seem to stick I

1136
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:08,980
always used to to use the term a

1137
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:13,680
blanketing effect these things seem to

1138
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:17,280
come out and almost immediately

1139
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:20,470
dissipate nobody pays attention to them

1140
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:24,430
the sts-48 case is a prime example there

1141
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:29,730
was a situation that came directly from

1142
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:34,270
none other than NASA during a space

1143
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:39,520
shuttle mission sts-48 back in September

1144
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:46,060
of 1991 that encountered an unknown in

1145
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:51,550
Earth orbit and something seemed to

1146
00:55:59,010 --> 00:55:55,590
suggest that there was a weapons firing

1147
00:56:00,100 --> 00:55:59,020
at this unknown object not from the

1148
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:00,110
shuttle

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00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:03,170
but from somewhere else and this object

1150
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:08,690
to an immediate evasive action now when

1151
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:12,290
I got my hands on that video I took it

1152
00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:17,150
to reducers both at NBC and CNN they

1153
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:20,900
both ended up running major stories on

1154
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:25,100
that and the bottom line was nobody in

1155
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:29,720
the mainstream press either TV or or

1156
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:33,770
print media seemed to give one hoot

1157
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:38,900
about this and it was a huge story I was

1158
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:42,230
certain at the time this had to be the

1159
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:45,410
smoking gun but later there were several

1160
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:49,720
other cases that were as big as that one

1161
00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:53,030
above the skies of O'Hare Airport in

1162
00:57:02,110 --> 00:56:57,830
Chicago where an unknown object a UFO an

1163
00:57:06,010 --> 00:57:02,120
unidentified object blew a perfect donut

1164
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:06,020
hole through clouds it was very overcast

1165
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:08,570
right above the airport where

1166
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:11,000
international traffic air traffic was

1167
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:14,840
coming and going all the time basically

1168
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:17,930
nothing about that another case where an

1169
00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:21,470
unidentified was flying towards

1170
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:25,580
Stevensville Texas directly at the ranch

1171
00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:29,540
of President George Bush and it was a

1172
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:34,040
brief splash in media for a couple of

1173
00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:37,850
days and then nothing now can you

1174
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:40,790
imagine if it would have been any other

1175
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:44,510
thing a terrorist attempt to attack

1176
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:47,210
those places for example would have been

1177
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:51,020
a major story for God Easter months but

1178
00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:54,650
a UFO it's here and it's gone do you

1179
00:58:00,010 --> 00:57:57,320
ever wonder though done to be very

1180
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:00,020
conspiratorial where sometimes you hear

1181
00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:02,870
about UFOs it's a cover story for

1182
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:04,580
something else all the time

1183
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:06,830
absolutely yeah okay what do you think

1184
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:09,830
they're covering up well in many cases I

1185
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,130
think in

1186
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:14,240
years passed it may have very well been

1187
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:18,780
UAVs unmanned aerial vehicles prototypes

1188
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:20,900
of things like drones

1189
00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:25,980
yep 117 stealth aircraft was another

1190
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:29,060
example until they released it this

1191
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:32,600
material was top-secret military

1192
00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:36,380
projects it could be today it could be

1193
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:42,080
basically anything that's why I so often

1194
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:45,740
suggested when I was giving a public

1195
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:50,070
lecture or was doing media in other

1196
00:58:59,840 --> 00:58:54,960
venues that the real golden age when

1197
00:59:03,890 --> 00:58:59,850
this idea that it could be a top-secret

1198
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:03,900
project of sort of some kind was not as

1199
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:07,530
as prevalent as it is today back in the

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00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:11,010
late forties the early fifties I mean at

1201
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:15,150
that time we barely had aircraft that we

1202
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:17,570
of course know about but you know

1203
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:20,940
experimental aircraft until sometime

1204
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:23,940
later was unlikely that they would

1205
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:27,720
achieve a much higher speed than Mach 1

1206
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:32,660
a little over 700 miles an hour but

1207
00:59:40,090 --> 00:59:37,080
aircraft there was track going thousands

1208
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:40,100
of miles an hour in the early 50s

1209
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:43,010
there's nothing to suggest we had

1210
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:46,440
anything that could approach those types

1211
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:49,350
of speeds and then so whatever we were

1212
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:54,150
seeing then was truly unknown well of

1213
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:55,730
course we could always say to be

1214
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,050
skeptical just for a second that some of

1215
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:00,480
those estimates of really high speeds

1216
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:04,260
were fabricated to advance the

1217
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:08,190
disinformation no no not in the cases

1218
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:10,140
I'm thinking of I'm thinking of people

1219
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,130
like major Dunn Kehoe in several of his

1220
01:00:21,050 --> 01:00:17,280
books that he wrote back then where he

1221
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:21,060
and people like dick Hall were able to

1222
01:00:28,279 --> 01:00:24,359
get into project Bluebook

1223
01:00:32,479 --> 01:00:28,289
talk to the people that at the time were

1224
01:00:34,729 --> 01:00:32,489
keeping those records and made those

1225
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:34,739
records available for a while even Jim

1226
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:40,559
Mosely but you know he had very regular

1227
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:42,839
contact he'd get there like every year

1228
01:00:46,279 --> 01:00:45,210
or so he go to Washington DC and he got

1229
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:46,289
to be friendly with some of those guys

1230
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:48,390
but there's a very famous story there

1231
01:00:54,589 --> 01:00:50,579
when Jim made his first trip around the

1232
01:00:57,739 --> 01:00:54,599
country back in the 1950s supposedly to

1233
01:00:59,779 --> 01:00:57,749
write a UFO book with a co-author so he

1234
01:01:02,029 --> 01:00:59,789
was doing the legwork and the co-author

1235
01:01:03,769 --> 01:01:02,039
and established author who would put

1236
01:01:05,989 --> 01:01:03,779
everything together so he went to

1237
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:05,999
Project Blue Book and there he was

1238
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,480
allowed to see the actual UFO reports

1239
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:12,359
and he was allowed to sit there go to a

1240
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:14,670
typewriter type it all out make notes

1241
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,249
and give back the reports now with

1242
01:01:22,099 --> 01:01:19,920
Donald Kehoe however most the time he

1243
01:01:24,499 --> 01:01:22,109
got the reports verbally and he wrote

1244
01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:24,509
them down and of course his books were

1245
01:01:29,180 --> 01:01:26,670
mostly verbal conversations with people

1246
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:29,190
recreated we're sure written in kind of

1247
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:31,999
like a mystery novel fashion but he was

1248
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:34,049
copying over information that he'd

1249
01:01:40,099 --> 01:01:38,099
received so one day Kehoe supposedly

1250
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,109
this is according to Jim Mosely Kehoe

1251
01:01:44,299 --> 01:01:42,480
learned that Jim had actually seen the

1252
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:44,309
actual reports wasn't just getting them

1253
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:46,710
delivered over the telephone or

1254
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:50,249
something recited recited to him he went

1255
01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:53,339
crazy over that at that point after

1256
01:01:59,620 --> 01:01:57,150
Kehoe as they say flipped out as a

1257
01:02:02,239 --> 01:01:59,630
result of Jim getting this extra access

1258
01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:02,249
supposedly Project Blue Book clamped

1259
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:05,190
down on the release of information and

1260
01:02:11,059 --> 01:02:07,950
wouldn't give anyone direct access to

1261
01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:11,069
the reports in the same fashion had you

1262
01:02:17,539 --> 01:02:14,579
heard that yes yes I knew Keo also he

1263
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:17,549
was a very nice guy in person really

1264
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,829
nice Pleasant guy you know when I was a

1265
01:02:25,299 --> 01:02:22,319
detective or when I was a uniformed

1266
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:25,309
police officer and I was investigating

1267
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:29,400
something or taking reports it was

1268
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:32,190
almost always verbal people were

1269
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:35,670
verbally telling me not in every case I

1270
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:38,020
mean sometimes we we got record

1271
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:42,160
or you know other items that would go

1272
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:44,380
into a case but most of the people I

1273
01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:47,920
interviewed were verbal interviews so

1274
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,070
that that really means you know as far

1275
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:52,960
as I'm concerned that that doesn't have

1276
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:55,510
any additional weight or make it less

1277
01:03:01,800 --> 01:02:58,540
weighty if you will but in any case here

1278
01:03:04,859 --> 01:03:01,810
if we take the stories about

1279
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:04,869
disinformation involving UFOs are you

1280
01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:07,240
familiar with the rosetta deception the

1281
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:10,780
book by James carrion yes okay I want to

1282
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:12,250
ask you what your opinion is about that

1283
01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:13,740
because we've gotten opinions from

1284
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:16,300
Richard Dolan we've gotten opinions from

1285
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:17,830
Don burrowing there we've gotten

1286
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:20,530
opinions from Stanton Friedman and we've

1287
01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:22,750
had very spirited exchange in the forums

1288
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:25,360
as you know with James carrion and and I

1289
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:27,790
was getting responses from Friedman that

1290
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:29,230
I was posting there because he's not

1291
01:03:33,150 --> 01:03:31,420
really that big a message board poster

1292
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:33,160
was fascinating we've got the

1293
01:03:38,070 --> 01:03:35,170
fascinating ever fascinating Don Ecker

1294
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:38,080
with whom I sometimes disagree very very

1295
01:03:47,310 --> 01:03:40,360
severely but he's a really cool guy with

1296
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:47,320
gene and Chris you're in first game

1297
01:03:50,849 --> 01:03:48,850
attack of the rock codes and it was a

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01:03:52,830 --> 01:03:50,859
critically acclaimed success and now

1299
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:52,840
there's the coming of the protectors a

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01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:54,940
former military intelligence man is

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01:03:59,010 --> 01:03:57,250
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

1304
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

1305
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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko it's calm

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that's Rockets are Ock oids calm do you

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not really good okay Don Ecker the

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questions on the table well first I got

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to tell you I have I have not yet read

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that so for me to really advance an

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opinion would not be fair to either the

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audience or to the James himself so you

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know I'm gonna have to take a pass on

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min a gene I'm sorry well what about the

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basic theory that the ghost rockets for

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a put-up job which is basically what

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he's saying and I think his second book

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which is gonna be about Roswell he's

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gonna try to paint the same picture that

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Roswell was also something that we did

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not involving the crash of an alien

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craft yeah yeah well I mean you know

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he's basically taken a skeptical tack

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with all of this even perhaps a

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debunking tag it would take a heck of a

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01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:25,440
lot number one to convince me that there

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was nothing to Roswell okay for quite a

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01:09:35,499 --> 01:09:33,120
few good reasons that I don't think we

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:35,509
want to go into here I mean good lord

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01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,210
we've done Roswell to death we've died

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01:09:42,829 --> 01:09:41,279
to death in the way Dracula was done to

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01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:42,839
death is that we stuck a stake through

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01:09:46,999 --> 01:09:45,540
its heart to stop the discussion that

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01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:47,009
keeps coming back of course it's worse

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01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,620
with Aztec his Aztec I think has just

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:52,620
had very little basis for it and it

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:55,050
comes back occasionally but with Roswell

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:57,449
we've died to death even though I think

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01:10:02,360 --> 01:09:59,250
something happened there Vicki and I

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01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:02,370
almost caused a revolt in the UFO field

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01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:06,900
many years ago when we printed an

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01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:10,040
article that John keel sent the magazine

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01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,560
trying to explain Roswell as a Japanese

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01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:14,640
fool go below

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01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:19,320
ah yes I mean Roswell will always have

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01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:23,280
its detractors however I was in a very

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01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:27,480
fortunate position to actually discover

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01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:31,530
a first hand and I verified that in fact

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01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:35,400
he was there a first-hand witness that

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01:10:41,180 --> 01:10:38,190
was in the Army Air Corps stationed

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01:10:43,460 --> 01:10:41,190
there and was out on the debris field so

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01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:43,470
you know I'll never forget what this man

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01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:46,500
told me but be that as it may the ghost

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01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:47,520
rockets

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01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:51,180
I have always suspected that there was a

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01:10:58,330 --> 01:10:55,640
heck of a lot more to those than

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01:11:02,510 --> 01:10:58,340
whatever came out and let's face it

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01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:02,520
today that is almost a forgotten chapter

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01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:06,960
in the overall UFO field but great done

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01:11:12,740 --> 01:11:09,300
done let me interrupt sorry uh we're

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01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:12,750
talking what five six hundred Shepard

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01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:16,350
being reported sighting over that very

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01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:19,070
fast and furious few months I mean that

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:21,630
it's interesting what carrying came up

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:22,050
with

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01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:23,970
he did he did produce some very

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01:11:28,370 --> 01:11:26,280
interesting documentation but I don't

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01:11:30,380 --> 01:11:28,380
think it covers the entire width and

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01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:30,390
breadth of the of the actual ghost

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:35,460
rocket wave come on no I agree I totally

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01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:38,730
agree it's kind of like the Foo Fighters

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01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:42,120
in the last months of the air war over

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Europe before the collapse of Germany

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01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:50,040
and in May of 45 those allied pilots not

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01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:52,770
only allied pilots American and British

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:11:56,580
and others were encountering these but

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01:12:02,900 --> 01:11:59,210
it later came out that German pilots

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01:12:06,170 --> 01:12:02,910
were encountering them and these things

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01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:06,180
were encountered in the Pacific theater

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01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:09,330
of operations not only by allied pilots

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01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:13,320
but by Japanese pilots so yeah something

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:16,830
was going on it's never been explained

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01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:20,250
in a public venue and as to whether the

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:22,890
air force or in those days the Army Air

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01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,650
Corps had any answers to it is is

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01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:27,840
unknown basically to

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01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:31,760
but it's not unknown that they in fact

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01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:35,699
did cover that up try to get information

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01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,320
on it today who fighter phenomenon is

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01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:43,440
Jimmy Doolittle's trip to Sweden exactly

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01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:44,159
yes

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01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,159
Doolittle was sent over there to get a

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01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:49,920
handle on this what in the heck is going

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01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:50,610
on here

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01:12:56,180 --> 01:12:52,440
because you know a lot of people thought

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01:12:58,780 --> 01:12:56,190
initially that the Soviet Union the

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01:13:03,589 --> 01:12:58,790
Russians may have gotten their hands on

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01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:03,599
German b1 and b2 material and that's in

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01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:06,270
fact what was being fired up but there

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01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:09,780
was never any any firm evidence to

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:11,670
suggest that would be the answer

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01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:14,010
you know gang back briefly to Roswell

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:15,210
for one thing because we did have a

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01:13:19,879 --> 01:13:17,730
question from a member of our listening

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01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:19,889
audience one of his three questions and

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01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:21,719
we'll get to the others later we have

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01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:24,840
this recent resurgence of debate over

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01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:27,690
the mj-12 documents so Stanton Friedman

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01:13:33,339 --> 01:13:31,080
and Robert Hastings are going back and

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01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:33,349
forth as they've done for what 25 years

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:36,780
about NJ 12 what position do you take

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01:13:42,879 --> 01:13:39,810
same one I've taken for a long time

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01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:42,889
going back years I think today that

1504
01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:46,820
mj-12 was a provocation I think it's

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:51,630
fraudulent I don't think that those

1506
01:14:00,200 --> 01:13:56,610
documents are real I think that this

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:00,210
goes back to the days well of course who

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01:14:06,919 --> 01:14:02,489
came out with those documents initially

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:06,929
Bill Moore Jamie Shandra right bill

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01:14:11,629 --> 01:14:09,650
Moore and Jamie Chandra interfacing with

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01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:11,639
among others

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01:14:19,609 --> 01:14:15,360
Richard Doty what's Richard Doty known

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:19,619
for being one of the top most publicly

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01:14:27,979 --> 01:14:23,610
known disinformation agents around and

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:27,989
the guy is I I do not know him

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01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:29,610
personally but I gotta tell you I think

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01:14:38,180 --> 01:14:33,840
he's a weasel he is not willing to come

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01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:38,190
out and and really discuss any longer

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01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:40,600
his part in this

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01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:44,640
massive deception I'm sure he got heat

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01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:49,150
from his former employers ie

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01:14:58,710 --> 01:14:53,620
OSI the air force whomever to shut his

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01:15:00,900 --> 01:14:58,720
mouth but the guy was a a major player

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01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:00,910
in putting out some of the most

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01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:05,710
pernicious misinformation was on yeah

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01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,140
we've covered this ground with you and

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01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,960
other death quite a bit but I'd like to

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01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:12,880
get your opinion on this do you think he

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01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,720
would cast with this particular series

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01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:18,640
of disinformation programs or do you

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01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:20,350
think he was you know off the

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01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:23,860
reservation I think initially yes he was

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01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:27,160
tasked and then I think he had so much

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01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:30,310
fun this is my speculation but I think

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01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:33,820
he had so much fun with what he was

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01:15:38,610 --> 01:15:36,190
tasked doing that he ended up going

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01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:38,620
rogue with it that's what I believe

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01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:42,910
happened now Richard Dolan has an

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:44,950
argument of make about these documents

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01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:47,050
and it's not just that there's one mj-12

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01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:50,110
documents there a lot of documents there

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01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:53,200
and he's thinking well if Richard Doty

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01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:55,000
or one or two people were doing some

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01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,950
documents maybe they come up with you

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01:16:01,260 --> 01:15:58,960
know a few a few dozen whatever but he

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01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,270
said there are hundreds of pages of

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documents that the woods have posted and

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01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:06,940
written about Minister I'm gonna say one

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01:16:12,750 --> 01:16:09,130
thing about that and I'm going to it's

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01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:12,760
going to sound cryptic I've held my

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01:16:17,010 --> 01:16:15,490
peace on this for years

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01:16:18,810 --> 01:16:17,020
and you know what you had to hold your

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01:16:20,730 --> 01:16:18,820
peace for about four minutes and then

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01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:20,740
we're gonna hear what you have to say

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about the ubiquity of those strange

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documents Don Ecker with Gina and Chris

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Keep Calm today hi the to make Pope

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you're listening to the Peres talk

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01:20:59,770 --> 01:20:57,740
so when Don Ecker says he's held his

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tongue this is a rarity it doesn't

1667
01:21:04,270 --> 01:21:02,180
happen very often because he always says

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01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:04,280
what's on his mind so okay when I

1669
01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:07,460
brought up the issue here about not just

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:09,950
there being an mj-12 document but many

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01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:12,410
documents that have come out and that's

1672
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:15,080
used by for example Richard Dolan as an

1673
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:17,210
indication that with all that much

1674
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:19,850
happening Eve you had a huge number of

1675
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:22,040
people working on them or maybe they are

1676
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:24,710
genuine what's your take on ekor I'm

1677
01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:28,940
going to say one name I'm only going to

1678
01:21:35,650 --> 01:21:31,940
say the name and then I'm gonna shut my

1679
01:21:38,050 --> 01:21:35,660
mouth Jim Cooper all right we have a lot

1680
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:38,060
of listeners here who don't know much

1681
01:21:43,090 --> 01:21:40,270
about that guy but just give him like a

1682
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:43,100
30-second reference about why you would

1683
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:46,880
use that name I'm sorry what part of my

1684
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,910
I'm going to say a name and then I'm

1685
01:21:53,770 --> 01:21:51,920
gonna shut my mouth was unclear I

1686
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:53,780
understand your point I'm just hoping

1687
01:21:58,180 --> 01:21:56,450
you'd be more expansive for a lot of our

1688
01:22:01,900 --> 01:21:58,190
new listeners okay let's just leave it

1689
01:22:04,150 --> 01:22:01,910
there Chris I'm supposed to ask a

1690
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:04,160
question from the forum why I don't have

1691
01:22:09,820 --> 01:22:07,370
that not sure how to do that on my news

1692
01:22:11,410 --> 01:22:09,830
angle phone all right there's a way to

1693
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,420
do it but you have to kind of go back

1694
01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:14,000
and forth I'll do those do you think Don

1695
01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:16,460
Ecker will ever get to the bottom of

1696
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:18,620
this a hundred percent not just well

1697
01:22:23,470 --> 01:22:21,920
maybe Dodi did a bunch or whatever and

1698
01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:23,480
the other possibility here - do you ever

1699
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:25,580
think Dodi is a put-up job - they just

1700
01:22:29,470 --> 01:22:27,650
put them up to be the fall guy that

1701
01:22:31,450 --> 01:22:29,480
there is really a group of people

1702
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:31,460
generating these things and they put up

1703
01:22:35,050 --> 01:22:33,080
this goofus because that's what he is

1704
01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:35,060
he's a goofus he's a doofus good

1705
01:22:44,170 --> 01:22:38,990
question well I will say that it would

1706
01:22:46,660 --> 01:22:44,180
make sense yeah I mean I look at what

1707
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:46,670
this guy does he's barely literate when

1708
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:50,060
he writes letters he doesn't seem to me

1709
01:22:57,550 --> 01:22:53,840
the kind of guy who would be bright

1710
01:22:59,530 --> 01:22:57,560
enough skilled enough savvy enough to do

1711
01:23:02,400 --> 01:22:59,540
any of this stuff not even one document

1712
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:02,410
I don't see it unless of course he's

1713
01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:04,850
also a pretty smart guy putting on a

1714
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:07,220
pose well if the Air Force wanted to

1715
01:23:12,189 --> 01:23:08,030
float a

1716
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:12,199
disinformation story believe me they

1717
01:23:18,459 --> 01:23:15,770
could get all the document writers they

1718
01:23:25,060 --> 01:23:18,469
ever needed to do that if they had a

1719
01:23:27,819 --> 01:23:25,070
reason to do it I have no doubt that you

1720
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:27,829
know if if that became an official

1721
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:31,070
position of somebody within the

1722
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:33,170
intelligence community for whatever

1723
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:37,329
reason whether it was ultimately chasing

1724
01:23:46,209 --> 01:23:42,320
Russian spies or today Iranian

1725
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:46,219
terrorists if they wanted to blow a

1726
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:50,449
story they could get the gang together

1727
01:23:56,589 --> 01:23:53,480
and they could knock something out they

1728
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:56,599
would peel your socks off if they wanted

1729
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,239
to now the the fact that when more and

1730
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:04,639
Shandra came out with that original

1731
01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:08,270
document for years and that that

1732
01:24:15,339 --> 01:24:11,750
literally set the field on fire and if

1733
01:24:19,919 --> 01:24:15,349
you were around back then you will have

1734
01:24:23,109 --> 01:24:19,929
witnessed all kinds of acrimony

1735
01:24:26,620 --> 01:24:23,119
recriminations people going hammer and

1736
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:26,630
tong at each other the field literally

1737
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:31,610
devolve into factions and that was that

1738
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,070
was good for a long time the woods

1739
01:24:39,250 --> 01:24:36,800
though when they began coming out with

1740
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:39,260
those documents document after document

1741
01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:42,290
after document

1742
01:24:45,940 --> 01:24:44,720
when I was in the in the army in the

1743
01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:45,950
Armed Forces

1744
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:50,420
I was involved in intelligence

1745
01:25:01,020 --> 01:24:55,150
operations in Vietnam and I can tell you

1746
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:01,030
that if somebody released information

1747
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:06,380
that wasn't supposed to be released the

1748
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:09,140
powers-that-be would move heaven and

1749
01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:12,110
hell to shut up

1750
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:15,980
the lee and the very fact that the

1751
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:18,530
Woods's have been coming out with these

1752
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:23,840
documents for years tells me that it's

1753
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:26,560
pure crapola

1754
01:25:37,810 --> 01:25:30,800
because if it wasn't somebody would have

1755
01:25:39,370 --> 01:25:37,820
been hooked up and carried away well

1756
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,380
that says a lot but why do you think a

1757
01:25:43,210 --> 01:25:41,360
person like Stanton Friedman who's a

1758
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:43,220
pretty smart guy and it's not easily

1759
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:46,730
fooled why does he continue to stick to

1760
01:25:58,440 --> 01:25:52,360
mj-12 it's his life that's simple

1761
01:26:02,800 --> 01:25:58,450
Stanton has how many years of his life

1762
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:02,810
involved in this and the untold hours

1763
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:07,400
and weeks and months and years of work

1764
01:26:14,850 --> 01:26:11,810
and research that he carried out in

1765
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:14,860
support of that the books that he wrote

1766
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:17,810
in many respects is kind of like Linda

1767
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:22,910
Howe why does Linda Howe get behind so

1768
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:27,530
many rajul --nt cases very simple it's

1769
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:32,239
her life that's what she does and to

1770
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:34,310
change horses in the middle of that

1771
01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:37,570
stream buhbuh it ain't gonna happen

1772
01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:40,760
you know sometimes though changing could

1773
01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:43,880
cause more publicity to create more

1774
01:26:48,340 --> 01:26:45,830
publicity and attention look I have

1775
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:48,350
realized this isn't the right thing but

1776
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:50,150
I have reformed now and now I have the

1777
01:26:53,979 --> 01:26:51,650
real truth I mean it's like a person

1778
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,989
who's famous and gets convicted of a

1779
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:55,280
crime to get out of jail

1780
01:26:58,810 --> 01:26:57,080
right the best-selling book and they get

1781
01:27:04,740 --> 01:26:58,820
back into movies and they become Robert

1782
01:27:09,660 --> 01:27:04,750
Downey jr. yeah well this ain't that

1783
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,670
well some things just never end but

1784
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:11,840
there you go speaking of things never

1785
01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:15,970
end we have a question from toxic surf I

1786
01:27:22,210 --> 01:27:19,880
love that name fact I'm gonna give toxic

1787
01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:22,220
surf I'll like just because that name is

1788
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:26,270
really cool in our flesh nickname should

1789
01:27:33,610 --> 01:27:31,040
be Fukushima what are your thoughts

1790
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:33,620
about Bob Lazar appearing at the

1791
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:36,800
upcoming UFO Congress event will you be

1792
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:39,370
there what do you think his motives are

1793
01:27:45,610 --> 01:27:42,800
personally I'm hoping to go just for the

1794
01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:45,620
event of him speaking why do we care

1795
01:27:51,310 --> 01:27:47,620
about Bob Lazar anymore Don Ecker

1796
01:27:55,740 --> 01:27:51,320
well that's my comment yeah that's a

1797
01:27:58,450 --> 01:27:55,750
story that never truly went away nor

1798
01:28:03,010 --> 01:27:58,460
that's a story that never had a

1799
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,020
satisfactory conclusion and toxic syrup

1800
01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:06,560
I got to tell you that's a heck of a

1801
01:28:18,220 --> 01:28:13,340
question I don't have a clue Lazar for

1802
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:18,230
years has considered the UFO arena to be

1803
01:28:29,740 --> 01:28:23,810
persona non grata he wanted nothing to

1804
01:28:37,150 --> 01:28:29,750
do with UFOs with UFO people with UFO

1805
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:37,160
cases with UFOs period and now 20 what

1806
01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:42,610
five years later he's suddenly making

1807
01:28:50,290 --> 01:28:46,840
the job to go down to that conference

1808
01:28:54,370 --> 01:28:50,300
maybe we should ask towards nap yeah

1809
01:28:58,480 --> 01:28:54,380
that's that's a heck of a that's a heck

1810
01:29:02,730 --> 01:28:58,490
of a good question the only thing that

1811
01:29:07,410 --> 01:29:02,740
makes sense to me at this point

1812
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:07,420
maybe he missed the adulation that were

1813
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:13,750
so long came his way you know he was the

1814
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:18,190
shiny star when he first came out with

1815
01:29:26,430 --> 01:29:22,090
that story I personally have had a

1816
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:26,440
number of meetings with Lazar back in

1817
01:29:32,340 --> 01:29:29,590
the day when the case was a fresh friend

1818
01:29:36,300 --> 01:29:32,350
it was a matter of fact I went down and

1819
01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:36,310
interviewed him right before he was

1820
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,820
going to trial on that house of

1821
01:29:48,210 --> 01:29:43,840
ill-repute

1822
01:29:52,260 --> 01:29:48,220
that he set cameras up and a computer

1823
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:52,270
system for that madam in Clark County I

1824
01:29:58,170 --> 01:29:54,610
mean prostitution is legal in the state

1825
01:30:02,610 --> 01:29:58,180
of Nevada it's not legal in Clark County

1826
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:02,620
and although it's there everybody knows

1827
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:05,530
it's there as a matter of fact the madam

1828
01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:09,370
that he said that he set that material

1829
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:13,500
up for the computers the cameras and etc

1830
01:30:23,790 --> 01:30:20,710
was a DEA informant and an informant or

1831
01:30:24,900 --> 01:30:23,800
the shirt partner oh boy let's get into

1832
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:24,910
more of this in a moment

1833
01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:27,580
Don Ecker is with us with Jean and Chris

1834
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:29,380
you're in

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01:30:38,510 --> 01:30:36,360
[Music]

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coming of the protectors a former

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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[Music]

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this is seven the author he was on the

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street and listening to the podcast

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[Music]

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01:35:07,049 --> 01:35:04,659
Honaker with Tina and Chris briefly

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01:35:09,029 --> 01:35:07,059
about bob lazar I don't know how far we

1941
01:35:11,609 --> 01:35:09,039
want to go into it we will be hearing

1942
01:35:14,129 --> 01:35:11,619
from George Knapp soon

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01:35:16,169 --> 01:35:14,139
right now he's immersed in ratings you

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know he works for this TV station in Las

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Vegas and when they're doing the

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November sweeps everybody on staff has

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to work extra hours this is typical for

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the TV industry because a lot of the

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ratings and the ratings events are

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decided in November and that determines

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of course advertising rates it's all

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01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:36,159
about the money that's how the media is

1953
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let me ask you another question here

1954
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:41,320
from toxic surf Don Ecker

1955
01:35:47,819 --> 01:35:44,050
while we're on the subject what do you

1956
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:47,829
think about the future present of UFO

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01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:50,770
conferences in general I know the

1958
01:35:55,979 --> 01:35:53,170
Internet has killed the importance of or

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01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,989
a need for these type of events but

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01:35:59,939 --> 01:35:57,760
still I personally like them just for

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01:36:01,470 --> 01:35:59,949
the entertainment and people watching

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01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:01,480
do you believe anything really

1963
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:04,510
worthwhile or groundbreaking comes from

1964
01:36:09,629 --> 01:36:07,210
the conferences or is it just mostly

1965
01:36:12,779 --> 01:36:09,639
preaching to the choir now before you

1966
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:12,789
answer that done I know that Chris and I

1967
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:15,250
were talking about a lot of these UFO

1968
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:17,730
conferences that tend to attract an

1969
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:20,730
older group of people but of course

1970
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:24,130
actual conferences physical events not

1971
01:36:29,339 --> 01:36:26,650
online events can be popular if it's

1972
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,349
comic-con and you see of course your

1973
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,320
famous comic book character from movies

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01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:34,239
or comics or when they introduce the

1975
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:37,000
stars of Batman vs Superman and that

1976
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:39,010
kind of thing so what do you think about

1977
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,690
the UFO conferences Don Ecker

1978
01:36:45,419 --> 01:36:42,880
well when you're talking about comic-con

1979
01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:45,429
and you're talking about UFO conferences

1980
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:48,670
you're talking about apples and carrots

1981
01:36:51,089 --> 01:36:49,449
okay

1982
01:36:53,549 --> 01:36:51,099
there's that's actually too close to

1983
01:36:57,529 --> 01:36:53,559
comparison but go ahead yeah it's a

1984
01:37:01,589 --> 01:36:57,539
whole different thing I don't think

1985
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,599
anything other than the socio ability of

1986
01:37:07,260 --> 01:37:03,520
everybody showing up at these

1987
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:07,270
conferences you know it's it's more of a

1988
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:11,440
social occasion than it

1989
01:37:19,649 --> 01:37:15,670
we're anything groundbreaking is going

1990
01:37:24,030 --> 01:37:19,659
to come out usually they have all the

1991
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:24,040
usual suspects appear at these very very

1992
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:28,810
seldom do they have anybody show up at

1993
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:31,570
these with anything new or

1994
01:37:39,149 --> 01:37:37,030
groundbreaking I mean you get the the

1995
01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:39,159
same people you get the Linda house you

1996
01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:41,800
get to stand Friedman's you get the

1997
01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:45,820
Richard Dolan's you get you know though

1998
01:37:51,570 --> 01:37:48,310
those folks the people that just about

1999
01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:51,580
every threat seven company clearly I did

2000
01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:54,550
a week ago I presented some really

2001
01:37:59,850 --> 01:37:56,500
compelling physical evidence that I

2002
01:38:03,169 --> 01:37:59,860
answered into the public record for for

2003
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:03,179
scrutiny and for follow-up from people

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01:38:08,370 --> 01:38:05,250
relating to hematite

2005
01:38:10,770 --> 01:38:08,380
exact replicas of flying saucers that

2006
01:38:13,649 --> 01:38:10,780
were discovered from the Havana and

2007
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,659
culture in the mound region of the upper

2008
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:16,480
Ohio River Valley and these objects are

2009
01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:17,980
made out of hematite and they are

2010
01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:21,940
physical Phil diamine appearing to be

2011
01:38:27,540 --> 01:38:24,040
flying saucers dozen fabricated by

2012
01:38:30,089 --> 01:38:27,550
Indian donates people of 1500 years ago

2013
01:38:31,919 --> 01:38:30,099
that's groundbreaking in my book so you

2014
01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:31,929
know present company excluded I agreed

2015
01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:33,880
on a lot of its just going over the same

2016
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:36,760
old thing why should some Kris I said

2017
01:38:43,740 --> 01:38:39,300
seldom I didn't say never

2018
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:43,750
exactly and I'm reaffirming there and

2019
01:38:48,270 --> 01:38:46,570
you know people like me I very very

2020
01:38:54,570 --> 01:38:48,280
seldom anymore

2021
01:38:58,050 --> 01:38:54,580
get invited to give a talk anywhere wit

2022
01:38:59,790 --> 01:38:58,060
doesn't really bother me but they don't

2023
01:39:03,479 --> 01:38:59,800
like my tact

2024
01:39:06,839 --> 01:39:03,489
okay my tact is here are the facts as I

2025
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:06,849
found them and chances are most people

2026
01:39:13,609 --> 01:39:09,760
don't want to hear the facts it's like

2027
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:13,619
that poster that was in agent Mulder's

2028
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:17,920
office in the x-files most people want

2029
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:20,710
to believe I want to believe I don't

2030
01:39:25,710 --> 01:39:22,450
want to be you know slam

2031
01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:25,720
in the mud with the real material I

2032
01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:28,630
don't want to hear that the UFO I saw

2033
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:32,020
was actually a brand spankin new shiny

2034
01:39:38,670 --> 01:39:36,400
government UAV or drone I want to

2035
01:39:42,210 --> 01:39:38,680
believe it was from Zeta Reticuli do you

2036
01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:42,220
know so in many respects by kiss I'm the

2037
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:44,830
skunk at the garden party so I don't get

2038
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:47,290
invited but you know hey that's just the

2039
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:50,560
way that I done I believe me I know the

2040
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:51,130
feeling

2041
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:55,270
I've been very shunned and and I think

2042
01:40:01,860 --> 01:39:57,490
this in in some sense of the word

2043
01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:01,870
because of no I share that same approach

2044
01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:04,390
you know you know facts just the fact

2045
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,550
but put it out there and if you have a

2046
01:40:11,220 --> 01:40:08,800
problem with it if the personal problem

2047
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:11,230
and you'll get over it but you can't

2048
01:40:15,420 --> 01:40:13,150
argue with the facts I mean if you have

2049
01:40:18,180 --> 01:40:15,430
some data if you have something that you

2050
01:40:21,690 --> 01:40:18,190
can hold in your hand or latch on to

2051
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:21,700
that have some sort of integrity to the

2052
01:40:27,570 --> 01:40:23,770
evidence chain then you got something

2053
01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:27,580
people are really into as you said you

2054
01:40:32,970 --> 01:40:29,200
know they want to believe they want to

2055
01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:32,980
get validation affirmation and some sort

2056
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:35,800
of cozy comfy feeling that there's a

2057
01:40:40,530 --> 01:40:38,650
personal view of the phenomenon is being

2058
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:40,540
validated and again is being

2059
01:40:47,490 --> 01:40:43,690
acknowledged in our own mind and that's

2060
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:47,500
always going to be the gate I think the

2061
01:40:53,250 --> 01:40:51,280
dynamic of socializing at UFO events

2062
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,260
butts in the chair that sort of thing I

2063
01:40:58,890 --> 01:40:55,360
think as soon as we see in the next

2064
01:41:01,620 --> 01:40:58,900
decade this the 60 to 70 year old crowd

2065
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:01,630
that tends to populate these events as

2066
01:41:07,470 --> 01:41:05,260
soon as they pass on or unable to to

2067
01:41:09,950 --> 01:41:07,480
attend we're gonna have to go to a more

2068
01:41:12,990 --> 01:41:09,960
virtual realm we're gonna have to

2069
01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:13,000
acquiesce you know to technology and the

2070
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:16,900
way the kids the scare information it's

2071
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:20,560
all changing yeah like it's change so if

2072
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:22,900
we want to have a meeting with regard to

2073
01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:25,270
UFOs a conference must we now do it

2074
01:41:32,859 --> 01:41:28,600
online to get a large audience not only

2075
01:41:35,260 --> 01:41:32,869
must you do it online but you

2076
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:35,270
gotta make sure that you have sufficient

2077
01:41:45,820 --> 01:41:41,360
time to market it marketing is the king

2078
01:41:49,450 --> 01:41:45,830
I I know that firsthand about ten years

2079
01:41:52,839 --> 01:41:49,460
ago I wrote a novel right now

2080
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:52,849
two publishers are looking to republish

2081
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:56,570
it my original publisher was a very

2082
01:42:04,540 --> 01:42:01,840
small press that did minimal marketing

2083
01:42:07,979 --> 01:42:04,550
the two that I'm looking at right now

2084
01:42:12,010 --> 01:42:07,989
that my agent is in talks with are

2085
01:42:16,570 --> 01:42:12,020
bigger than the original and they will

2086
01:42:19,149 --> 01:42:16,580
do marketing along with in advance which

2087
01:42:19,930 --> 01:42:19,159
would be nice and you know what let me

2088
01:42:22,419 --> 01:42:19,940
tell you something

2089
01:42:24,820 --> 01:42:22,429
it's not always easy anymore to get an

2090
01:42:27,490 --> 01:42:24,830
advance on a book no that's really good

2091
01:42:29,979 --> 01:42:27,500
achievement and the bottom line is

2092
01:42:34,209 --> 01:42:29,989
you've got to market him now I've done

2093
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:34,219
an online conference a couple of years

2094
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:38,409
ago with a number of other people it was

2095
01:42:44,589 --> 01:42:41,210
pretty well pretty well put together of

2096
01:42:47,050 --> 01:42:44,599
course all these things always need you

2097
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,060
know to be refined but I think that's

2098
01:42:51,879 --> 01:42:50,000
going to be the future especially in

2099
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:51,889
this field well you know when it comes

2100
01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:54,050
to doing something special or new of

2101
01:42:58,930 --> 01:42:55,790
course we have this new para cast plus

2102
01:43:00,910 --> 01:42:58,940
service and one of the ideas that Chris

2103
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,920
and I are talking about is some kind of

2104
01:43:04,959 --> 01:43:02,719
conference situation we already have a

2105
01:43:07,209 --> 01:43:04,969
chat room in there which you'll find out

2106
01:43:09,550 --> 01:43:07,219
when you start looking over it done but

2107
01:43:12,250 --> 01:43:09,560
we're working on different ideas how the

2108
01:43:14,979 --> 01:43:12,260
next generation but you know there's

2109
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:14,989
something about actually meeting the

2110
01:43:21,129 --> 01:43:18,170
people that you've heard about read

2111
01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:21,139
about seen on TV just seeing them in

2112
01:43:28,450 --> 01:43:23,590
person and that kind of human touch

2113
01:43:32,050 --> 01:43:28,460
maybe I'm old but that's absolutely

2114
01:43:35,919 --> 01:43:32,060
correct the problem is today especially

2115
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:35,929
with today's economy the way it is with

2116
01:43:42,669 --> 01:43:39,170
gasoline the way it is with all the

2117
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:42,679
hassle that one goes through if you want

2118
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:44,290
to fly somewhere

2119
01:43:51,780 --> 01:43:48,400
I mean it is just it's Grudge reaiiy

2120
01:43:54,900 --> 01:43:51,790
remember when I used to we used to fly a

2121
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:54,910
lot of places Mickey and I and before

2122
01:44:00,270 --> 01:43:57,730
even I knew Vicky I always look forward

2123
01:44:03,390 --> 01:44:00,280
to getting going to the airport and

2124
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,400
flying somewhere today you'd have to get

2125
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:05,440
me there at the at the point of a

2126
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:09,610
shotgun it is just you know that much of

2127
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:13,810
a hassle waiting and Don I just led for

2128
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:19,050
10 days a bunch of guys named Mohammed

2129
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:24,489
tarik fabu there was one guy even named

2130
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:27,510
Mohammed Mohammed and I went to TSA I

2131
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:31,530
you know dealt with hotel restaurant and

2132
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:37,090
I'm really happy to stay only one time

2133
01:44:44,190 --> 01:44:39,130
did I ever feel that there was some sort

2134
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:44,200
of suspicion or bigotry or whatever I'm

2135
01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:46,300
sorry I didn't mean to interrupt

2136
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,270
well no actually if you got a guy named

2137
01:44:53,970 --> 01:44:51,520
Al haben Mohammad going through the TSA

2138
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:53,980
they're gonna let him through it's the

2139
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,690
85 year old woman they're gonna

2140
01:45:01,950 --> 01:44:58,000
strip-search well you know there's

2141
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:01,960
something really special with gene you

2142
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:05,920
know why she's got strips why they took

2143
01:45:10,440 --> 01:45:07,810
they took away her knitting needles

2144
01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:10,450
because she was gonna try head knit an

2145
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Afghan Don Ecker is here with Gene and

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here's Jane Steinberg there you go

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well actually of course you have to

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think the if the woman is slightly

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overweight maybe she has Arnold

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Schwarzenegger inside like the movie

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Total Recall remember that movie the

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scene where he's wearing this robotic

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costume that makes you think he's a

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overweight rather tall a woman and yeah

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all right and then she starts of course

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malfunctioning how long you going to

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stay here two weeks and starts repeating

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two weeks two weeks oh forget it that

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was a fun movie though about Mars you

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wonder if there isn't something like

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that on Mars right now how realistic was

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that until the recall where we create

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these chambers in which people live with

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artificial atmosphere and that's how

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they sustain themselves

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well we ever go to Mars we're gonna have

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to because of the radiation sure but

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maybe we've been there already maybe do

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you think we have no I don't but then

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Who am I to say yeah so if there's just

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a secret space program what are they

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doing it for spy satellites to have a

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self a base on the moon well I

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personally think somebody set a base up

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on the moon but I'm not sure who but

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that's just me who can say until we get

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up there and I doubt I'll ever make it

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it's a it's a hard nut to crack mm-hmm

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so what do you think's going on in the

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moon Donecker

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well I think the Chinese want to go up

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there they probably want to get there

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pick up their Jade rabbit and they're

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talking about a man mission by 2020

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and that I gotta be honest that really

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bothers me because we can't even today

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as far as we know put our own astronauts

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up on the space station we've got to

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depend on the Russians those wonderful

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warm charismatic human beings to the

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tune of 70 million bucks a pound well

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you know what bothers me so much about

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this Don is the fact that we had the

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technology in 1969 to send men to the

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moon how come if we could do it in 1969

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we can't do it in 2014 because the

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current administration shut down our

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manned space program years ago that's

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01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:41,820
what yeah but that's been true for all

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the administration's you know from the

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01:50:49,549 --> 01:50:46,919
seventies on we were fading the thing

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down but we still had shuttles we still

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had a way to put people up there right

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01:50:55,549 --> 01:50:53,039
well right now we're trying to get

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someone like an Elon Musk to come up

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01:51:03,290 --> 01:50:58,860
with this shuttle program yeah well so

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01:51:06,979 --> 01:51:03,300
far no joy speaking of lunar stuff and

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01:51:09,290 --> 01:51:06,989
moon from techno mage what do you know

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01:51:12,859 --> 01:51:09,300
about the moon wave that's been reported

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01:51:15,140 --> 01:51:12,869
by a few astrophotographers it looks

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01:51:17,330 --> 01:51:15,150
like the wave that slowly moves up or

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01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:17,340
down a TV set when the picture is being

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01:51:24,979 --> 01:51:20,489
refreshed and my understanding is they

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01:51:29,569 --> 01:51:24,989
are not camera glitches so I can only

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presume that in fact they are some type

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01:51:37,580 --> 01:51:33,959
of camera glitch or monitor glitch or

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01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:37,590
some kind of glitch okay well then do

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01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:40,050
you argue with the premise yeah

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01:51:47,959 --> 01:51:44,130
I I don't think it's it's anything to

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01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:47,969
worry about well there you go

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01:51:53,659 --> 01:51:51,209
okay not related question but do you own

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01:51:56,540 --> 01:51:53,669
a telescope and do you do your own moon

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01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:56,550
or other observing oh yeah yeah I have

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01:52:04,610 --> 01:52:00,000
an 8-inch Schmidt gas

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and telescope and beautiful instrument

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01:52:12,170 --> 01:52:07,950
I'd love to have a 14-inch a real-life

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01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,180
bucket but but this 8 inches is a

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01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:14,940
beautiful piece of equipment and I use

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it you bet

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okay all right and let's see what else

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okay we asked that question already let

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01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:28,130
me ask you this one from Tom 1961 and I

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01:52:35,500 --> 01:52:30,980
have not checked whether Tom 1961 was

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01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:35,510
really born in 1961 or not whom do you

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01:52:43,959 --> 01:52:40,639
respect most in the UFO field well just

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01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:43,969
about everybody that I had the most

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01:52:53,169 --> 01:52:47,810
highest regard for today is no longer

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01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:53,179
with us but I would have to say Richard

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01:52:59,100 --> 01:52:57,290
Hall dick Hall I had the utmost respect

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01:53:03,729 --> 01:52:59,110
for dick Hall

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01:53:07,959 --> 01:53:03,739
Donald Kehoe whom I see is the original

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01:53:13,689 --> 01:53:07,969
Dean of UFO research I had the utmost

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01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:13,699
regard for him Ivan Sanderson I thought

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01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:17,650
did some really way out there work and

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01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:20,570
had a lot of respect for the work that

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01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:26,960
Sanderson did and people that back in in

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01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:31,250
those earlier days shined a light on

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01:53:38,260 --> 01:53:33,880
this now this is gonna surprise you Jean

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01:53:42,340 --> 01:53:38,270
but I think that mostly falls in that

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01:53:44,830 --> 01:53:42,350
category and Neville

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01:53:48,700 --> 01:53:44,840
Long John Neville wizard such an

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01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:48,710
interesting character he of course

2288
01:53:54,879 --> 01:53:52,639
wasn't above doing a few pranks on the

2289
01:53:57,010 --> 01:53:54,889
air with mostly in Barker like one time

2290
01:53:59,530 --> 01:53:57,020
he cut them off when they were talking

2291
01:54:01,870 --> 01:53:59,540
about something yeah he pulled these

2292
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:01,880
things but he invented paranormal radio

2293
01:54:07,930 --> 01:54:04,159
that's why you and I are here that's why

2294
01:54:09,580 --> 01:54:07,940
art Bell did his show art bell probably

2295
01:54:12,609 --> 01:54:09,590
wouldn't have had his coast to coast am

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01:54:15,459 --> 01:54:12,619
if Long John Neville didn't have his

2297
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:15,469
radio show totally totally agree but

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01:54:20,970 --> 01:54:18,290
Long John was a really temperamental

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01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:20,980
character ever meet him

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01:54:25,380 --> 01:54:23,770
did I ever meet him no no yeah I did a

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01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:25,390
few times cheap mostly knew him pretty

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01:54:32,669 --> 01:54:25,690
well

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01:54:36,810 --> 01:54:32,679
but he was okay what's funny a lot of

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01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:36,820
those guys are somewhat like that you

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01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:40,960
know I think it can be a safe assumption

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01:54:49,380 --> 01:54:46,449
that back in the 90s thousands and

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01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:49,390
thousands of people had a genuine

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01:55:00,270 --> 01:54:54,400
affection for art bell but art has his

2309
01:55:02,430 --> 01:55:00,280
quirks as it were well of course we know

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01:55:07,770 --> 01:55:02,440
what art did with regard to a certain

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01:55:12,090 --> 01:55:07,780
radio show he had yeah yeah but you know

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01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:12,100
it's you know it's just one of those

2313
01:55:18,510 --> 01:55:15,190
things you know it lasted what six weeks

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01:55:21,630 --> 01:55:18,520
and then it was off the air so yeah

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01:55:26,610 --> 01:55:21,640
you're kind of wonder what was actually

2316
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:26,620
happening with that because you know had

2317
01:55:34,820 --> 01:55:31,360
he approached now with with you know the

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01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:34,830
name of the of his show notwithstanding

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01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:38,290
if he would have approached it in a bit

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01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:41,110
of a different way well what is the

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01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:45,130
first thing art did with his den

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01:55:51,930 --> 01:55:47,920
brand-new show he brought back all the

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01:55:56,820 --> 01:55:51,940
usual fraudulent suspects and put him

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01:56:00,660 --> 01:55:56,830
back on the air and you know I know from

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01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:00,670
reading threads around the web during

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01:56:05,700 --> 01:56:02,770
that time period a lot of people were

2327
01:56:09,550 --> 01:56:05,710
really turned off by that

2328
01:56:13,390 --> 01:56:09,560
well he tried to basically pretend that

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01:56:16,330 --> 01:56:13,400
ten years never happened yes he could

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catch the same lightning in the same

2331
01:56:22,330 --> 01:56:19,810
bottle and it wasn't about to happen

2332
01:56:23,890 --> 01:56:22,340
well part of the reason he remains off

2333
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:23,900
the air is he had this non-compete

2334
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,380
clause so way after he went off the air

2335
01:56:31,689 --> 01:56:29,840
he was under contract with Sirius XM I

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01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,699
think until the summer of this year

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01:56:35,439 --> 01:56:33,679
although I don't know what he's gonna do

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01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,449
maybe he'll stay retired I don't know

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01:56:40,300 --> 01:56:37,040
but really he's pretty much in our age

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01:56:45,550 --> 01:56:40,310
group so I guess he's got a few years

2341
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:45,560
left bit older than I am oh well he's

2342
01:56:51,070 --> 01:56:48,110
not that much older than I am without

2343
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:51,080
going into detail there you go he has a

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little bit more money than I do

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01:56:58,990 --> 01:56:55,550
so there you go I really don't care if

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01:57:02,350 --> 01:56:59,000
he does or doesn't get back on but I

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01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:02,360
know that I had asked his wet master

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01:57:08,169 --> 01:57:04,370
once why he came up with the name Dark

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Matter knowing Don Ecker and he claimed

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01:57:14,459 --> 01:57:09,830
that he didn't even think about it but I

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think that's just insulting yeah hey

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01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:17,750
that was insulting really is anyway we

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have a few more segments left to spend

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with our friend Don Eckhart and a few

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more questions from our listeners and

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some other stuff to talk about with gene

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I've been tooling around Santa Fe

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picking up dinner chopping up yet having

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a great time with you and Don

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multitasking multitasking do tell let us

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continue here so we're talking about Don

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02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:50,179
eckers favorite UFO researchers now you

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know I had a rocky association with

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Richard Hall right Don yes right yeah so

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I remember when he was running nightcap

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I walked in there with Alan Greenfield I

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think Rick hilberg and maybe somebody

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02:03:07,540 --> 02:03:05,000
else was there

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02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:07,550
and Richard Hall looked at us pointed

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his finger at us shaking finger a finger

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had to be shaking you're not welcome

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here and it was 10 years before Hall and

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02:03:20,590 --> 02:03:18,650
I talked again and we shook hands and we

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02:03:22,780 --> 02:03:20,600
were okay it's just that it was a little

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too late by the time we wanted to get

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02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:25,400
him on the para cast he was not feeling

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02:03:34,180 --> 02:03:29,090
so well can you bel curmudgeon yeah that

2477
02:03:38,189 --> 02:03:34,190
was dick that was dick dick had his had

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02:03:41,919 --> 02:03:38,199
his rough side we had a falling-out with

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02:03:48,180 --> 02:03:41,929
dick right after the turn of the century

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02:03:52,689 --> 02:03:48,190
at UFO magazine we did any issue with

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02:03:56,449 --> 02:03:52,699
Egyptian pyramids on the cover and I had

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02:04:01,290 --> 02:03:56,459
done a rather

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02:04:04,759 --> 02:04:01,300
article on Moses and monotheism I'll

2484
02:04:08,219 --> 02:04:04,769
never forget this dick had a monthly

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02:04:11,850 --> 02:04:08,229
column in the magazine called Hall's

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02:04:15,060 --> 02:04:11,860
corner and he always came in on time I

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02:04:18,330 --> 02:04:15,070
mean you know the guy was just well he

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02:04:23,699 --> 02:04:18,340
was a writer he was a pro he was a real

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02:04:28,049 --> 02:04:23,709
pro and he saw that issue and called us

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02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:28,059
up just raising the biggest ruckus you

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02:04:41,370 --> 02:04:35,679
can imagine because what are you I posed

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02:04:45,899 --> 02:04:41,380
for that was when Dick said I quit and

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02:04:48,419 --> 02:04:45,909
by golly he did he was he was quite a

2494
02:04:51,419 --> 02:04:48,429
character and remember his basic voice

2495
02:04:53,909 --> 02:04:51,429
had this slight the southern drawl so

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02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:53,919
when he spoke in anger it wasn't

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02:04:58,199 --> 02:04:55,570
necessarily yelling although it sounds

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02:05:00,959 --> 02:04:58,209
like he yelled at you yeah well I said

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02:05:03,899 --> 02:05:00,969
what what is wrong I mean Dickon

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and boy he just really he was outraged

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02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:06,639
by that so you know hey what do you do

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02:05:13,969 --> 02:05:09,760
you just pick it up and move on ever

2503
02:05:16,859 --> 02:05:13,979
meet Donald Kehoe no okay he passed for

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02:05:20,129 --> 02:05:16,869
two years as a matter of fact he passed

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02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:20,139
before I got active in the field but

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02:05:27,689 --> 02:05:24,239
dick I knew and Vicki knew very well and

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02:05:30,060 --> 02:05:27,699
we had been back to Dick's house in

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02:05:34,669 --> 02:05:30,070
Maryland I mean he was a great guy who

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02:05:39,659 --> 02:05:34,679
dick as a matter of fact took us down to

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02:05:43,259 --> 02:05:39,669
Luray Virginia where Donald Kehoe's home

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02:05:46,319 --> 02:05:43,269
had been turned into a bed-and-breakfast

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02:05:49,709 --> 02:05:46,329
a lovely couple had bought it it was

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02:05:51,419 --> 02:05:49,719
just beautiful and took us down there

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02:05:54,449 --> 02:05:51,429
introduced as Vicki and I ended up

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02:05:58,049 --> 02:05:54,459
staying there a couple of days and dick

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02:06:00,270 --> 02:05:58,059
took us out to the cemetery where Kehoe

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02:06:04,729 --> 02:06:00,280
and his wife were buried

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02:06:08,069 --> 02:06:04,739
I got a photograph of me kneeling beside

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02:06:09,299 --> 02:06:08,079
donki hote um stone you know dick was

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02:06:10,810 --> 02:06:09,309
was a great guy

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02:06:13,630 --> 02:06:10,820
when I first visit

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02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:13,640
and met Donald Kehoe we met him in larae

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02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:16,010
not at the caverns by the way Allan

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02:06:20,020 --> 02:06:18,320
Greenfield and I were joking ah he's

2525
02:06:22,330 --> 02:06:20,030
gonna meet us in the caverns he's really

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02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:22,340
a dear Oh or something like that no we

2527
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,500
met him at a diner and we had lion-o a

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02:06:28,750 --> 02:06:26,960
half-hour conversation with him I'm not

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02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:28,760
sure if we had lunch with him or just

2530
02:06:32,740 --> 02:06:30,860
had coffee or something like that I was

2531
02:06:34,900 --> 02:06:32,750
really young but we met all sorts of

2532
02:06:38,740 --> 02:06:34,910
people and I think the very same year we

2533
02:06:40,300 --> 02:06:38,750
met Ray Palmer in Amherst Wisconsin yeah

2534
02:06:42,760 --> 02:06:40,310
now there's another guy that I would

2535
02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:42,770
have loved to have had the opportunity

2536
02:06:48,330 --> 02:06:46,070
to meet and sit down and talk with but

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02:06:52,090 --> 02:06:48,340
Palmer was one of those guys from

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02:06:55,690 --> 02:06:52,100
everything I've been able to derive

2539
02:06:58,990 --> 02:06:55,700
about him and I I was very interested in

2540
02:07:01,840 --> 02:06:59,000
Ray Palmer years ago and did as much

2541
02:07:04,420 --> 02:07:01,850
research as I had time to do on him he

2542
02:07:10,060 --> 02:07:04,430
was quite a showman he always struck me

2543
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:10,070
as more of a PT Barnum than a Don

2544
02:07:16,930 --> 02:07:12,800
Quixote know what I mean well I knew

2545
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:16,940
Palmer slightly I met him once it was in

2546
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:20,690
1965 Allen Greenfield and I and Jim

2547
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:22,730
Mosley were there and I think Dale

2548
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:25,250
Rettig who died in the past year I think

2549
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:28,400
and we first gone to Chicago and in

2550
02:07:33,550 --> 02:07:31,730
Chicago we met a young astronomer who

2551
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:33,560
had written a UFO book named Jacques

2552
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:36,530
filet and then imagine the comparison

2553
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:38,570
here and when we met Palmer and Palmer

2554
02:07:41,950 --> 02:07:40,370
of course was very famous in the

2555
02:07:44,380 --> 02:07:41,960
science-fiction world in fact I'm

2556
02:07:47,470 --> 02:07:44,390
reading another book about Ray Palmer we

2557
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:47,480
had Richard Toronto and Geneva Hagan on

2558
02:07:51,490 --> 02:07:49,760
the para cast a couple of years ago a

2559
02:07:54,250 --> 02:07:51,500
book about Richard shaver

2560
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:54,260
and Ray Palmer and the book I'm now

2561
02:07:59,980 --> 02:07:56,810
reading is called the man from Mars ray

2562
02:08:02,980 --> 02:07:59,990
Palmer's amazing pulp journey from Fred

2563
02:08:05,470 --> 02:08:02,990
natus and it even got a good review from

2564
02:08:08,260 --> 02:08:05,480
Jerome Clark and talks about his early

2565
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:08,270
years in science fiction and you know he

2566
02:08:11,650 --> 02:08:10,130
was someone who discovered some of the

2567
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:11,660
great science fiction writers as an

2568
02:08:16,330 --> 02:08:14,090
editor of amazing stories like the first

2569
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:16,340
stories from Isaac Asimov were published

2570
02:08:21,220 --> 02:08:18,650
when Ray Palmer was editor did you

2571
02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:21,230
realize that I mean the most famous

2572
02:08:26,430 --> 02:08:23,890
writers of the 30s Rob

2573
02:08:29,450 --> 02:08:26,440
block the guy who wrote psycho was a

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02:08:32,250 --> 02:08:29,460
power Ray Palmer's Otto bender of course

2575
02:08:35,100 --> 02:08:32,260
he and his cousin was his brother I

2576
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:35,110
forget did iRobot I'm I don't know if he

2577
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:36,730
did Heinlein her if he knew Heinlein or

2578
02:08:41,550 --> 02:08:38,800
not but he although a lot of the great

2579
02:08:44,130 --> 02:08:41,560
writers appeared in amazing stories

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02:08:46,580 --> 02:08:44,140
edited by Ray Palmer this is before the

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02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:46,590
years of Schaefer Edgar Rice Burroughs

2582
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:50,710
wrote some of his final Mars John Carter

2583
02:08:55,530 --> 02:08:53,290
novels for amazing stories and he did it

2584
02:08:57,930 --> 02:08:55,540
because Ray Palmer was this superb

2585
02:09:00,270 --> 02:08:57,940
Shulman and Palmer was a character you

2586
02:09:01,980 --> 02:09:00,280
know he was physically crippled because

2587
02:09:05,580 --> 02:09:01,990
of a truck accident when he was 7 years

2588
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:05,590
old he basically was in such pain in the

2589
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:07,810
hospital that he bent over and never got

2590
02:09:12,210 --> 02:09:09,730
out of it and that position again he was

2591
02:09:15,180 --> 02:09:12,220
a hunchback yes he was like 4 foot 8

2592
02:09:17,730 --> 02:09:15,190
inches tall you know really small guy

2593
02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:17,740
but really in a really charismatic

2594
02:09:23,300 --> 02:09:20,470
character amazing character I talked to

2595
02:09:25,470 --> 02:09:23,310
him on the phone a few times I even

2596
02:09:27,630 --> 02:09:25,480
exchanged a couple of letters with him

2597
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:27,640
but really interesting character

2598
02:09:33,570 --> 02:09:31,360
probably someone though who really kept

2599
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:33,580
the UFO subject alive for many years

2600
02:09:38,850 --> 02:09:35,520
especially of course in faith magazine

2601
02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:38,860
which he and Curtis Fuller founded back

2602
02:09:44,850 --> 02:09:42,370
in the 1940s this guy did a lot of stuff

2603
02:09:47,550 --> 02:09:44,860
but he did some crazy stuff too because

2604
02:09:50,820 --> 02:09:47,560
he he'd pull stunts well that's what

2605
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:50,830
kept the field interesting I'm sure for

2606
02:09:57,090 --> 02:09:53,290
so many people and you know people like

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Ray Palmer grey Parker and John keel

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even they brought a little levity and a

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little humor and and a little spark into

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the situation so and you know it's gonna

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be a heck of a thing to say but maybe we

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could use a ray palmer today or a grey

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barker let's do our break Don Ecker

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[Music]

2725
02:15:02,489 --> 02:15:00,849
we were talking about some of the UFO

2726
02:15:04,319 --> 02:15:02,499
researchers at Don Ecker had admired

2727
02:15:07,979 --> 02:15:04,329
we're getting into the characters really

2728
02:15:10,619 --> 02:15:07,989
wild and wacky characters of the 50s and

2729
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,629
60s and maybe Don Ecker you and I are

2730
02:15:15,779 --> 02:15:12,639
basically lamenting over the good old

2731
02:15:18,989 --> 02:15:15,789
days but do we even have characters like

2732
02:15:25,139 --> 02:15:18,999
that anymore in the field well we had

2733
02:15:28,290 --> 02:15:25,149
have Jim Lehrer yeah but but really not

2734
02:15:34,020 --> 02:15:28,300
in the same vein as people like Barker

2735
02:15:36,319 --> 02:15:34,030
or keel or hay even Richard Hall I don't

2736
02:15:39,479 --> 02:15:36,329
think anybody that knew Richard Hall

2737
02:15:42,119 --> 02:15:39,489
could ever say that dick was not a

2738
02:15:43,529 --> 02:15:42,129
character true that's true with a lot of

2739
02:15:45,989 --> 02:15:43,539
these people are still a few of them

2740
02:15:49,379 --> 02:15:45,999
around but really the more outrageous

2741
02:15:50,819 --> 02:15:49,389
characters are not have to be found I

2742
02:15:53,489 --> 02:15:50,829
mean we have some outrageous characters

2743
02:15:56,939 --> 02:15:53,499
nowadays but you know there's more of a

2744
02:15:58,829 --> 02:15:56,949
hostile feeling from them like we don't

2745
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:58,839
I mentioned Steven Greer but I just did

2746
02:16:05,849 --> 02:16:01,599
or we don't want to mention dan burisch

2747
02:16:08,729 --> 02:16:05,859
but I guess I did okay I mean yeah we

2748
02:16:11,699 --> 02:16:08,739
have some characters but not in the same

2749
02:16:14,189 --> 02:16:11,709
light as some of those characters in

2750
02:16:16,739 --> 02:16:14,199
years past those were the days I guess

2751
02:16:19,259 --> 02:16:16,749
UFOs became more mainstream or less

2752
02:16:22,829 --> 02:16:19,269
mainstream I'm not really sure what do

2753
02:16:24,389 --> 02:16:22,839
you think here Don Ecker about getting

2754
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:24,399
younger people more younger people

2755
02:16:29,009 --> 02:16:26,050
involved in the field because we're

2756
02:16:31,290 --> 02:16:29,019
talking about the age the demographic of

2757
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,300
the UFO conventions and I know we have a

2758
02:16:37,439 --> 02:16:34,000
number of listeners to the para cast who

2759
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:37,449
are not 50 60 something's they're

2760
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:39,609
younger well you know when when I came

2761
02:16:48,750 --> 02:16:44,920
into the field I was in my 30s now late

2762
02:16:52,139 --> 02:16:48,760
30s granted but I was in my 30s and I

2763
02:16:55,799 --> 02:16:52,149
took a look at when I started going to a

2764
02:16:59,280 --> 02:16:55,809
lot of these UFO conferences and you

2765
02:17:02,730 --> 02:16:59,290
know here in Los Angeles we had

2766
02:17:06,330 --> 02:17:02,740
we had several every year and of course

2767
02:17:10,169 --> 02:17:06,340
UFO magazine we were always at these

2768
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:10,179
conferences sometimes we spoke other

2769
02:17:15,290 --> 02:17:12,130
times you know we just had a presence

2770
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:15,300
there and made the magazine available

2771
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:19,689
but even then it seemed like most of the

2772
02:17:26,940 --> 02:17:23,889
crowds were an older bunch compared to

2773
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:26,950
what what I was then you know it seems

2774
02:17:34,290 --> 02:17:31,450
like with things like UFO conferences it

2775
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:34,300
usually appeals to those people that

2776
02:17:40,349 --> 02:17:37,120
have a little more time on their hands

2777
02:17:43,530 --> 02:17:40,359
you know up here a 20 30 even 40

2778
02:17:47,580 --> 02:17:43,540
something generally you're talking about

2779
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:47,590
people with families with jobs it's hard

2780
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:50,800
to break away if you've got to go

2781
02:17:55,469 --> 02:17:52,719
somewhere where there's a conference

2782
02:17:59,849 --> 02:17:55,479
that type of thing so as a result just

2783
02:18:02,429 --> 02:17:59,859
by the fact of what it is you're gonna

2784
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:02,439
be getting an older demographic you see

2785
02:18:07,919 --> 02:18:05,050
what I'm saying also it's not as easy or

2786
02:18:11,429 --> 02:18:07,929
practical to travel you know traveling

2787
02:18:13,290 --> 02:18:11,439
by air it's more expensive the stay of

2788
02:18:15,900 --> 02:18:13,300
the economy doesn't make it easy for

2789
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:15,910
younger people who may have the vacation

2790
02:18:20,429 --> 02:18:18,490
who may have the interest to make that

2791
02:18:22,679 --> 02:18:20,439
trip so your things are kind of

2792
02:18:26,099 --> 02:18:22,689
different unfortunately and here's the

2793
02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:26,109
other imponderable you've got to have

2794
02:18:36,379 --> 02:18:32,370
some people that are investigating some

2795
02:18:40,530 --> 02:18:36,389
contemporary as a rule contemporary but

2796
02:18:43,500 --> 02:18:40,540
interesting even fascinating cases and

2797
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:43,510
how many of those have we had recently

2798
02:18:49,769 --> 02:18:46,450
well we've had a few interesting cases I

2799
02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:49,779
know I researched a couple for 7:01 the

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02:18:56,730 --> 02:18:51,569
movie they'd asked me to look up some

2801
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:56,740
recent cases Tracy Torme had given me an

2802
02:19:01,530 --> 02:18:58,559
assignment to do a little research and

2803
02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:01,540
there I found a few cases but not the

2804
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:03,969
sensational cases necessarily although

2805
02:19:09,839 --> 02:19:07,840
there was a UFO flap in Canada for a

2806
02:19:12,370 --> 02:19:09,849
year or so that Chris rutkowski

2807
02:19:16,299 --> 02:19:12,380
investigated yeah but what

2808
02:19:19,389 --> 02:19:16,309
saying is that they do not seem to be as

2809
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:19,399
prevalent today at least that we are

2810
02:19:26,650 --> 02:19:23,210
hearing about as they were back in the

2811
02:19:31,469 --> 02:19:26,660
late 80s the early 90s now I'll tell you

2812
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:31,479
a little something that happened to me

2813
02:19:38,589 --> 02:19:35,120
just a bit over a week ago well I guess

2814
02:19:41,379 --> 02:19:38,599
it was last Friday night on Fridays I

2815
02:19:44,770 --> 02:19:41,389
always have my my co-host and you both

2816
02:19:46,990 --> 02:19:44,780
know him Chris you and gene both know my

2817
02:19:49,630 --> 02:19:47,000
co-host on Friday night Richard Serra

2818
02:19:53,260 --> 02:19:49,640
day he's been on the podcast yes he's

2819
02:19:56,130 --> 02:19:53,270
been our kids and generally if the

2820
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:56,140
weather is nice after the show is over

2821
02:20:02,889 --> 02:20:00,560
we will go out on on my patio and kind

2822
02:20:04,929 --> 02:20:02,899
of unwind for a little bit out there and

2823
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:04,939
just sit there and chat a little bit

2824
02:20:13,389 --> 02:20:09,130
which we were doing and Richard saw

2825
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:13,399
something hovering in the sky and he

2826
02:20:21,429 --> 02:20:18,560
said Don is that a helicopter and I

2827
02:20:25,690 --> 02:20:21,439
looked up and there was this Starlight

2828
02:20:29,350 --> 02:20:25,700
thing that was flashing red blue and

2829
02:20:34,030 --> 02:20:29,360
white and I looked at it for a moment

2830
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:34,040
and I could not hear anything nor was

2831
02:20:39,070 --> 02:20:36,560
this thing moving

2832
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:39,080
so I said to rich I said keep your eye

2833
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:40,580
on it I'm gonna go in and get my

2834
02:20:48,010 --> 02:20:44,170
binoculars and I've got a fine pair of

2835
02:20:50,500 --> 02:20:48,020
military surplus artillery binoculars

2836
02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:50,510
and I went in and got those came out and

2837
02:20:56,820 --> 02:20:53,410
set him up and was looking at this thing

2838
02:21:01,950 --> 02:20:56,830
and honest to god we watched it for

2839
02:21:05,530 --> 02:21:01,960
15-20 minutes and it just sat in the sky

2840
02:21:07,540 --> 02:21:05,540
flashing these colors until finally rich

2841
02:21:11,050 --> 02:21:07,550
said well I got to go home and I said

2842
02:21:14,860 --> 02:21:11,060
yeah well I'm gonna go to bed we went

2843
02:21:18,730 --> 02:21:14,870
inside and he took and I pulled my

2844
02:21:21,100 --> 02:21:18,740
binoculars away and as far as I know the

2845
02:21:24,030 --> 02:21:21,110
thing at some point I guess had to leave

2846
02:21:29,370 --> 02:21:24,040
but it was the weirdest

2847
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:29,380
now by all accounts that was a UFO it

2848
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:32,890
was flying well done hung in one place

2849
02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:34,960
and slowly set for the West it could

2850
02:21:40,830 --> 02:21:38,230
have been a star no it didn't no it

2851
02:21:41,220 --> 02:21:40,840
didn't and when I put the binoculars on

2852
02:22:08,550 --> 02:21:41,230
it

2853
02:22:10,290 --> 02:22:08,560
well is that the most interesting UFO

2854
02:22:15,330 --> 02:22:10,300
related thing you've ever seen or the

2855
02:22:18,690 --> 02:22:15,340
only oh no oh my god no no now I in one

2856
02:22:21,630 --> 02:22:18,700
of my first appearances on the para cast

2857
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:21,640
I think it was back when David B Edney

2858
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:26,170
was with you I described the original

2859
02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:33,810
sighting I had in 1966 that just

2860
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:38,920
absolutely had me you know gobsmacked

2861
02:22:45,450 --> 02:22:42,610
and that was you may or may not remember

2862
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:45,460
it Jean it is a few years ago we're

2863
02:22:55,620 --> 02:22:48,720
talking about 2006

2864
02:22:58,640 --> 02:22:55,630
it was a day that I was with three other

2865
02:23:01,430 --> 02:22:58,650
friends we were all in high school

2866
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:01,440
our high school game gave the day off

2867
02:23:08,390 --> 02:23:04,050
because it was the start of deer season

2868
02:23:12,261 --> 02:23:08,400
we all hunted back then and we'd been

2869
02:23:15,230 --> 02:23:12,271
out all day long and we were coming in

2870
02:23:18,740 --> 02:23:15,240
late me afternoon about 4:15 I believe

2871
02:23:22,761 --> 02:23:18,750
or 4:30 we were coming down off this

2872
02:23:27,860 --> 02:23:22,771
hill when one of my buddies looked up in

2873
02:23:31,490 --> 02:23:27,870
the sky and screamed and at the time and

2874
02:23:34,341 --> 02:23:31,500
I remember telling you this I was

2875
02:23:37,011 --> 02:23:34,351
thinking to myself this guy saw a deer

2876
02:23:40,780 --> 02:23:37,021
that dummy and he yelled and I turned

2877
02:23:41,900 --> 02:23:40,790
around and looked up and here were four

2878
02:23:46,250 --> 02:23:41,910
brilliant

2879
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:46,260
Arclight like objects flying in a

2880
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:50,640
diamond formation going that a pretty

2881
02:23:56,511 --> 02:23:54,290
little excuse me pretty leisurely pace

2882
02:23:58,220 --> 02:23:56,521
maybe a hundred and fifty two hundred

2883
02:24:02,690 --> 02:23:58,230
miles an hour but they were up in the

2884
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:02,700
sky probably 15 20 thousand feet but it

2885
02:24:11,140 --> 02:24:06,090
was hard to tell and as they over flew

2886
02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:11,150
us the light in the rear suddenly shot

2887
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:14,490
straight up into the sky let's continue

2888
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:16,080
that and finish that in our next segment

2889
02:24:25,370 --> 02:24:18,930
with Don Ecker reminding us about this

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02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:28,290
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02:24:37,410 --> 02:24:31,170
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terrible battle in outer space but the

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supplement that's Infowars team Tom hi

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this is nuclear physicist dr. Stanton

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Friedman you are listening to yeah it

2992
02:29:00,050 --> 02:28:58,770
comes back to me now that you mentioned

2993
02:29:02,179 --> 02:29:00,060
this case but we have a lot of new

2994
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:02,189
listeners that we probably have like 10

2995
02:29:07,849 --> 02:29:03,930
times as many listeners now as we did

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way back in 2006 Don Ecker so continue a

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little bit about this case and then

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02:29:13,969 --> 02:29:11,250
we'll get to the wrap-up stage oh yeah

2999
02:29:17,450 --> 02:29:13,979
we were standing there watching these

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four brilliant lights they were like arc

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lights when this light in the rear

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02:29:29,450 --> 02:29:25,260
suddenly shot like a rocket lifting off

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02:29:33,650 --> 02:29:29,460
but it when I mean it was poof John and

3004
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:33,660
when that happened this the other three

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02:29:42,139 --> 02:29:37,680
lights in a v-formation suddenly hit a

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02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:42,149
burst of speed that was unbelievable and

3007
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:44,970
within seconds they were out of sight

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02:29:51,740 --> 02:29:47,850
and you know here were four high school

3009
02:29:54,590 --> 02:29:51,750
kids with our jaws chained down around

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our knees could not believe what we just

3011
02:29:58,700 --> 02:29:57,750
saw I couldn't wait to get home and tell

3012
02:30:01,400 --> 02:29:58,710
my parents

3013
02:30:03,380 --> 02:30:01,410
it I turn on the radio I look for any

3014
02:30:06,830 --> 02:30:03,390
mention of it of course there was

3015
02:30:09,950 --> 02:30:06,840
nothing it was years later when I was

3016
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:09,960
doing a historical retrospective on that

3017
02:30:15,770 --> 02:30:13,010
part of the country which involve

3018
02:30:19,700 --> 02:30:15,780
Pennsylvania West Virginia New Jersey

3019
02:30:22,460 --> 02:30:19,710
New York and Ohio I did not know it at

3020
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:22,470
the time nobody in the media ever

3021
02:30:28,969 --> 02:30:25,250
mentioned it but there was a genuine

3022
02:30:31,570 --> 02:30:28,979
wave of UFO sightings that were

3023
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:31,580
happening over that entire geographical

3024
02:30:37,490 --> 02:30:35,040
location of the country and as a matter

3025
02:30:41,330 --> 02:30:37,500
of fact that was during the same time

3026
02:30:43,460 --> 02:30:41,340
period that John keel was having his

3027
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:43,470
adventures in West Virginia with the

3028
02:30:49,719 --> 02:30:47,010
Mothman so there was something going on

3029
02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:49,729
in that part of the country that was

3030
02:30:54,650 --> 02:30:52,890
unbelievable but for the most part you

3031
02:30:57,560 --> 02:30:54,660
know other than if you were a witness

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02:30:58,490 --> 02:30:57,570
that saw something most people were not

3033
02:31:01,370 --> 02:30:58,500
aware of it

3034
02:31:03,380 --> 02:31:01,380
so many cases like that happen thanks

3035
02:31:04,940 --> 02:31:03,390
for reminding us of it you know this is

3036
02:31:07,940 --> 02:31:04,950
something we can say is just off the

3037
02:31:08,719 --> 02:31:07,950
presses there's a story in the Wall

3038
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:08,729
Street Journal

3039
02:31:14,420 --> 02:31:12,000
for Thursday November 13th let me give

3040
02:31:18,440 --> 02:31:14,430
you the headline American's cell phones

3041
02:31:21,830 --> 02:31:18,450
targeted in secret u.s. spy program

3042
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:21,840
subtitled devices on planes that mimic

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02:31:27,490 --> 02:31:24,930
cell phone towers used to target

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02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:27,500
criminals but also sift through

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02:31:34,700 --> 02:31:31,920
thousands of other phones ouch or

3046
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:34,710
welcome I think I said that beginning of

3047
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:36,720
the maybe you did say Orwellian in the

3048
02:31:41,450 --> 02:31:38,160
beginning of the show and we might as

3049
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:41,460
well continue it it's George Orwell

3050
02:31:47,390 --> 02:31:44,490
thirty years later took 30 years for it

3051
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:47,400
to happen yeah and he ever had a clue on

3052
02:31:53,870 --> 02:31:50,970
how Orwellian it was going to be well

3053
02:31:56,180 --> 02:31:53,880
the host story is presented in the Wall

3054
02:31:58,430 --> 02:31:56,190
Street Journal and this one paragraph

3055
02:32:00,920 --> 02:31:58,440
comes to the fore a Justice Department

3056
02:32:04,310 --> 02:32:00,930
official would neither confirm nor deny

3057
02:32:07,430 --> 02:32:04,320
the existence of such a program of

3058
02:32:08,750 --> 02:32:07,440
course right on what did you expect yeah

3059
02:32:10,650 --> 02:32:08,760
well it kind of makes you want to go

3060
02:32:12,900 --> 02:32:10,660
back to a tin can and

3061
02:32:15,631 --> 02:32:12,910
linked the string didn't it well I think

3062
02:32:18,540 --> 02:32:15,641
it sounds better I mean you have to look

3063
02:32:21,870 --> 02:32:18,550
at it this way Chris is using an

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02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:21,880
advanced mobile computer and the quality

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02:32:25,950 --> 02:32:24,970
of sound on a really high-class network

3066
02:32:28,140 --> 02:32:25,960
is superb

3067
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:28,150
it really is sounds almost as good as

3068
02:32:32,940 --> 02:32:30,250
having him in the studio and we'll

3069
02:32:34,620 --> 02:32:32,950
actually try that with Skype on next

3070
02:32:36,930 --> 02:32:34,630
week's episode and see how much

3071
02:32:40,261 --> 02:32:36,940
different it sounds then having him use

3072
02:32:42,511 --> 02:32:40,271
a standard studio mic okay but now Chris

3073
02:32:44,310 --> 02:32:42,521
say something again reminding our

3074
02:32:48,841 --> 02:32:44,320
listeners about the digital haze

3075
02:32:51,690 --> 02:32:48,851
well yeah I'm up on needs the sanitary

3076
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:51,700
maids are here whipping around take care

3077
02:32:57,210 --> 02:32:54,880
business join the show with don don

3078
02:32:59,341 --> 02:32:57,220
thanks for being on I'm about ready to

3079
02:33:02,160 --> 02:32:59,351
lose my battery gene I don't know what

3080
02:33:04,670 --> 02:33:02,170
to do I have no place to recharge it

3081
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:04,680
here and there's 15 minutes I don't know

3082
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:07,450
what does it say in terms of the

3083
02:33:13,170 --> 02:33:11,650
percentage a little in red line okay

3084
02:33:15,420 --> 02:33:13,180
yeah when it gets to red it's usually

3085
02:33:17,730 --> 02:33:15,430
under 20 percent and there's an option

3086
02:33:21,180 --> 02:33:17,740
on the iPhone to display a percentage

3087
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:21,190
but usually it's like a gas tank in a

3088
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:23,920
car the second half goes down a lot

3089
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:26,170
faster in the first half don't Astrid

3090
02:33:32,341 --> 02:33:28,330
well you know I'll be hanging in there

3091
02:33:34,650 --> 02:33:32,351
for the duration I'm on my way to David

3092
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:34,660
perfume town I'm looking forward to it

3093
02:33:38,700 --> 02:33:37,210
interesting evening costing around some

3094
02:33:41,490 --> 02:33:38,710
of the ideas that we're working on for

3095
02:33:44,310 --> 02:33:41,500
the follow up is talking to heard and I

3096
02:33:47,640 --> 02:33:44,320
can laugh to the end of the episode I'm

3097
02:33:48,960 --> 02:33:47,650
on Kevin at the bit to do that so well

3098
02:33:52,610 --> 02:33:48,970
we only have four and a half minutes

3099
02:33:56,341 --> 02:33:52,620
left so let's just see how long your

3100
02:33:58,860 --> 02:33:56,351
yeah there you go that's of course the

3101
02:34:00,750 --> 02:33:58,870
bane of the existence of smartphones

3102
02:34:02,220 --> 02:34:00,760
these days is the battery that's the

3103
02:34:04,801 --> 02:34:02,230
thing of course I always think here

3104
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:04,811
about Star Trek I never heard of the

3105
02:34:09,690 --> 02:34:07,330
Star Trek communicator ever running out

3106
02:34:11,940 --> 02:34:09,700
of battery life I never heard Captain

3107
02:34:12,450 --> 02:34:11,950
Kirk say but battery's about to go

3108
02:34:15,810 --> 02:34:12,460
Scotty

3109
02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:15,820
yeah that's why and I've never done it

3110
02:34:22,290 --> 02:34:18,970
but I've opted inside but if I traveled

3111
02:34:23,360 --> 02:34:22,300
more the one thing you definitely have

3112
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:23,370
got

3113
02:34:28,610 --> 02:34:26,460
it's a car charger well with my car have

3114
02:34:30,921 --> 02:34:28,620
a USB port oh I have the cars these days

3115
02:34:33,230 --> 02:34:30,931
have USB ports so I can just plug that

3116
02:34:35,180 --> 02:34:33,240
into what we call the Lightning

3117
02:34:36,470 --> 02:34:35,190
connector on the iPhone and it will

3118
02:34:40,220 --> 02:34:36,480
charge it'll keep it charged

3119
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:40,230
well my Jeep is so ancient gene that I

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02:34:49,791 --> 02:34:44,160
carry in my Jeep a can and a two pieces

3121
02:34:52,730 --> 02:34:49,801
of wire no an ac/dc converter and I just

3122
02:34:54,711 --> 02:34:52,740
plug it in my Jeep has a cigarette

3123
02:34:57,950 --> 02:34:54,721
lighter I plug it into the cigarette

3124
02:35:00,970 --> 02:34:57,960
lighter then I can plug my phone into it

3125
02:35:06,140 --> 02:35:00,980
and voila I'm good to go

3126
02:35:08,450 --> 02:35:06,150
that's fascinating okay well you know

3127
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these days you get yourself a

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with that novel yourself a big advance

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get yourself a brand new Jeep they're

3131
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really cool hey let me tell you what I'm

3132
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one of those guys that I learned a long

3133
02:35:31,461 --> 02:35:26,960
time ago I never count any chickens

3134
02:35:37,820 --> 02:35:31,471
until those eggs hatch and usually my

3135
02:35:43,940 --> 02:35:37,830
eggs are born stillborn so don't tell

3136
02:35:45,921 --> 02:35:43,950
Vicki that reminder of that out mike is

3137
02:35:48,501 --> 02:35:45,931
going to say you promised to make me a

3138
02:35:50,390 --> 02:35:48,511
millionaire yeah she's she's great she

3139
02:35:54,530 --> 02:35:50,400
gives me my head so there you go you

3140
02:35:59,450 --> 02:35:54,540
know so how long have you guys are

3141
02:36:05,030 --> 02:35:59,460
married now well in let me see in five

3142
02:36:10,730 --> 02:36:05,040
days we will have been together 26 years

3143
02:36:16,331 --> 02:36:10,740
but we will we will be married 21 years

3144
02:36:19,841 --> 02:36:16,341
in December which day in December the 18

3145
02:36:23,961 --> 02:36:19,851
your five days ahead of my anniversary

3146
02:36:26,961 --> 02:36:23,971
isn't that coincidental yeah the 18th so

3147
02:36:30,140 --> 02:36:26,971
we will have 21 years of pretty much

3148
02:36:35,050 --> 02:36:30,150
marital bliss but we've been we've been

3149
02:36:37,479 --> 02:36:35,060
an item for 26 years so

3150
02:36:38,050 --> 02:36:37,489
pretty good I think that's a great

3151
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record

3152
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:41,119
you know I beat you by maybe a decade or

3153
02:36:45,340 --> 02:36:43,250
so but you know I'm a thousand years

3154
02:36:47,229 --> 02:36:45,350
older I'm actually 6,000 years old right

3155
02:36:48,910 --> 02:36:47,239
now ladies and gentlemen oh you were

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02:36:50,530 --> 02:36:48,920
there when the dinosaurs were running

3157
02:36:54,280 --> 02:36:50,540
low strain well that would be six

3158
02:36:55,899 --> 02:36:54,290
million years oh you know I think we got

3159
02:37:00,490 --> 02:36:55,909
a couple of million that we've kind of

3160
02:37:02,590 --> 02:37:00,500
missed uh but well you know I'm being

3161
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conservative I didn't want to reveal the

3162
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truth Chris Don Ecker tell our listeners

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Don Ecker thanks for joining us in the

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the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

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and Christopher o'brien

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is a copyrighted presentation of making

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the impossible Incorporated tune in next